**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 10 20:11:42 2011 May 10 20:11:52 <garyo> Hang on, let me make sure my chat client is logging. May 10 20:12:03 <garyo> I think it is. May 10 20:12:09 <Jason_at_Intel> so when i go to wiki and click the current issue link i get 2703 May 10 20:12:24 * crib has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) May 10 20:12:41 <garyo> Try this: http://scons.tigris.org/issues/buglist.cgi?resort=1&issue_status=UNCONFIRMED&issue_status=NEW&issue_status=STARTED&issue_status=REOPENED&order=issues.target_milestone,%20issues.priority,%20issues.votes%20desc,%20issues.creation_ts&target_milestone=-unspecified- May 10 20:13:16 <dirk_> @jk you have to click on the spreadsheet link May 10 20:13:39 <bdbaddog> did I miss that there's a bugparty tonight? May 10 20:13:41 <garyo> Spreadsheet or tracker list? May 10 20:13:51 * crib (~chris@port-92-202-125-87.dynamic.qsc.de) has joined #SCONS May 10 20:13:59 <garyo> Hi Bill -- I kinda mentioned it last week, and look what happened! Here we are! May 10 20:14:00 <Jason_at_Intel> spreedsheet May 10 20:14:02 <dirk_> hi bill! May 10 20:14:10 * madewokherd (~urk@c-24-118-59-147.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #SCONS May 10 20:14:15 <garyo> Spreadsheet is at https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/oberbrunner.com/ccc?key=0AtofUIe3gu6bdEJtSFQ2RTFlWHZLQmJTSTZlRkpTb2c&hl=en&authkey=CKGv8zU#gid=0 May 10 20:14:28 <garyo> (maybe w/o the a/oberbrunner.com part) May 10 20:14:45 <garyo> Should start w/ 2720, then 2703. May 10 20:14:50 <garyo> How's things, Bill? May 10 20:14:52 <Jason_at_Intel> it worked! May 10 20:15:15 <bdbaddog> ugh. trying to get iphone app ready in the very near term as it's for a conference on june 5th.. May 10 20:15:35 <garyo> ok then. 2720? I think 2.2 p3, who wants to apply it? May 10 20:16:17 <garyo> (silence) May 10 20:16:19 <bdbaddog> is 2720 testable? May 10 20:16:28 <dirk_> no one? then I'll do it... May 10 20:16:52 <Jason_at_Intel> are we still on svn? May 10 20:16:54 <garyo> Bill: it's a race condition, so not really I think. May 10 20:16:57 <garyo> Jason: yes May 10 20:17:03 <Jason_at_Intel> ( as i don't have check in right with SCons) May 10 20:17:03 <bdbaddog> garyo: o.k. May 10 20:17:06 <garyo> Dirk: thanks! Do you have commit rights? May 10 20:17:19 <bdbaddog> Jason_at_Intel: yes still on SVN May 10 20:17:25 <dirk_> @gary: yes, I should have proper commit rights May 10 20:17:30 <garyo> excellent May 10 20:17:37 <dirk_> ...have done a simple commit before May 10 20:17:46 <garyo> 2.2 p3 dirk then. May 10 20:17:51 <dirk_> ok May 10 20:17:55 <garyo> 2703? May 10 20:18:20 <bdbaddog> so just change the installer exe name right? May 10 20:18:23 <dirk_> +1 from all? May 10 20:18:29 <bdbaddog> +1 May 10 20:18:33 <garyo> (dirk: +1) May 10 20:18:40 <Jason_at_Intel> +1 May 10 20:18:49 <garyo> bdbaddog: yes, change exe name May 10 20:19:06 <dirk_> and is it p1 or p3 May 10 20:19:13 <garyo> Could you try to put it in the next ckpoint so we can see if it works? May 10 20:19:14 <bdbaddog> k. I got it. I think I can take a wack that the not building on py 2.6+ as well. May 10 20:19:25 <garyo> dirk: p3 is ok May 10 20:19:26 <bdbaddog> garyo: can try. May 10 20:19:33 <garyo> p1 is only for showstoppers May 10 20:19:50 <garyo> so 2.1 p3? bill May 10 20:19:59 <bdbaddog> +1 May 10 20:20:12 <dirk_> is there a page anywhere, that explains the prio levels? just asking by the way? May 10 20:20:52 <garyo> thought there was somewhere... but it's not on the bug party page. May 10 20:21:01 <garyo> p3 is "normal" though. May 10 20:21:13 <garyo> p4 is "probably won't get to it" :-/ May 10 20:21:17 <dirk_> I like normal... May 10 20:21:57 <garyo> so on to 2730? May 10 20:22:03 <dirk_> yup May 10 20:22:32 <dirk_> I'm okay with the quick fix May 10 20:23:03 <bdbaddog> k. should we make seperate bug for "cleaner fix" ? May 10 20:23:12 <bdbaddog> so we don't lose it. May 10 20:23:41 <garyo> yes. I can do that as I'm entering these updates from tonight. May 10 20:23:41 <dirk_> only if we really want something to happen in this drirection May 10 20:24:07 <dirk_> if you guys can live with the hack, that's fine... May 10 20:24:22 <garyo> The whole exists/generate thing is not so great, there's vetter ways, but we shouldn't wait for perfection to make some progress (IMHO) May 10 20:24:24 <bdbaddog> I'd rather not lose the info that we'd like to do a cleaner fix. May 10 20:24:29 <garyo> (vetter -> bettere) May 10 20:24:37 <garyo> (!!! bettere -> better, can't type) May 10 20:24:45 <garyo> +1 May 10 20:24:47 <bdbaddog> so I'm saying do the hack, but file a "do it right sometime" bug May 10 20:24:51 <garyo> yup May 10 20:24:55 <dirk_> +1 May 10 20:25:23 <garyo> The hack is so easy -- 2.1 or 2.2 then? May 10 20:25:45 <garyo> (Bill: how close do you think we are to 2.1? I'm feeling like we're close.) May 10 20:25:46 <dirk_> 2.2 May 10 20:25:58 <garyo> (others chime in too) May 10 20:25:58 <bdbaddog> could it break things? May 10 20:26:31 <garyo> well, you never know of course but it seems pretty safe to me May 10 20:27:01 <bdbaddog> k. 2.1 if it's a just patch it. May 10 20:27:14 <bdbaddog> 2.2 might not be so quick and if java guys are stuck without it. May 10 20:27:46 <garyo> well, only if JAVA_HOME isn't on their path initially, if I read it right May 10 20:28:23 <dirk_> it's not a real blocker, right? May 10 20:28:37 <garyo> Surely not. May 10 20:29:03 <dirk_> there will remain enough work for 2.1 anyway May 10 20:29:54 <dirk_> so let's push this one to 2.2 May 10 20:29:57 <garyo> That's true, so even though it's trivial let's do 2.2 and start closing up 2.1. May 10 20:30:14 <dirk_> good May 10 20:30:18 <garyo> 2.2 p3 -- Dirk can you take it? May 10 20:30:40 <dirk_> okay, I'll do it May 10 20:30:48 <garyo> thanks! May 10 20:30:57 <garyo> 2.2 p3 dirk, done. May 10 20:31:03 <garyo> 2733 May 10 20:31:04 * loonycyborg has quit (Quit: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) May 10 20:31:27 <garyo> I think I should take this one and all the others listed there. May 10 20:31:37 <dirk_> any news for this one? May 10 20:31:54 <garyo> I ran out of time in the middle of it. This is top of my list now though. May 10 20:31:58 <dirk_> @gary: that would be good May 10 20:32:21 <dirk_> my java-fu has weakened over the years May 10 20:32:42 <dirk_> in favor of Python ;) May 10 20:32:42 <garyo> We don't really have many hardcore Java users w/ SCons, partly because of issues like this May 10 20:33:22 <garyo> So the spreadsheet suggests 2.1 p3 me, but maybe let's say 2.2 p3 me and if I can get it in before the next checkpoint then I do. May 10 20:33:24 <dirk_> push this one to 2.2. too? May 10 20:33:33 <dirk_> +1 May 10 20:33:48 <garyo> But after the next checkpoint I say we freeze 2.1. Agreed? May 10 20:34:01 <bdbaddog> yes May 10 20:34:06 <dirk_> okay May 10 20:34:07 <Jason_at_Intel> +1 May 10 20:34:10 <garyo> great May 10 20:34:14 <garyo> 2709? May 10 20:34:57 <garyo> Dirk, "good idea" ones like this we typically assign to 3.x meaning "someday" May 10 20:34:59 <dirk_> probably nice to have, I'll go with your suggestion May 10 20:35:35 <garyo> and 3.x ones don't need an owner. So it's 3.x p3. May 10 20:35:41 <garyo> yes? May 10 20:35:44 <bdbaddog> +1 May 10 20:35:52 <garyo> ok. 2722? May 10 20:35:55 <Jason_at_Intel> well I hope to have something for people to use by end of year .. May 10 20:36:14 <bdbaddog> I got it. May 10 20:36:16 <garyo> you mean for 2709, right? May 10 20:36:16 <dirk_> 2722: +1 May 10 20:36:17 <bdbaddog> 2722 that is May 10 20:36:22 <Jason_at_Intel> ya May 10 20:36:28 <Jason_at_Intel> 2722 May 10 20:36:44 <garyo> 2722: ok, Bill. 2.1 or 2.2? Your call. May 10 20:36:50 <Jason_at_Intel> I worried we added the warnings to help the user when odd behavior happened May 10 20:37:23 <garyo> I think we have other warnings for weird conditions May 10 20:37:41 <Jason_at_Intel> ok May 10 20:37:48 <dirk_> and it obviously confuses a lot of users instead May 10 20:37:53 <garyo> yup May 10 20:38:01 <Jason_at_Intel> not a big issue for me May 10 20:38:12 <bdbaddog> should we add a tool warning flag? so there's either a way to turn it on or off? May 10 20:38:29 <bdbaddog> I think you get similar problems on any platform. can't find compiler. May 10 20:38:49 <Jason_at_Intel> yep May 10 20:38:53 <bdbaddog> I say turn off warning, and let's see if people scream, they've definitly done so about the waring May 10 20:38:57 <Jason_at_Intel> I error in those cases with why May 10 20:38:58 <bdbaddog> k. I've gotta hit the road. May 10 20:39:03 <garyo> I'd like to deal with this as part of the IAPAT thing. May 10 20:39:09 <garyo> ok, thanks! May 10 20:39:18 <bdbaddog> I'll see if I can take a wack at these couple bugs soon. May 10 20:39:19 <dirk_> bye bill! May 10 20:39:20 <garyo> I can stay another 20 min May 10 20:39:21 <Jason_at_Intel> sounds good to be May 10 20:39:23 <bdbaddog> when do we want to checkpoint? May 10 20:39:24 <Jason_at_Intel> bye bill May 10 20:39:31 <garyo> bdbaddog: asap is good for me May 10 20:39:44 <bdbaddog> k. anyone have anything iminent? May 10 20:40:09 <dirk_> no May 10 20:40:19 <Jason_at_Intel> no here May 10 20:40:41 <garyo> thanks again Bill for the heavy lifting May 10 20:41:18 <garyo> 2700? May 10 20:42:02 <dirk_> did anyone find an old issue/up? May 10 20:42:02 <Jason_at_Intel> There is the recurring issue of using subprocess May 10 20:42:14 <dirk_> i meant dup May 10 20:42:48 <garyo> I feel like there must be one. Jason, if you have some time could you look around? May 10 20:43:11 <garyo> I could swear we've been through this before with closing filehandles and all. May 10 20:43:34 <garyo> (I looked, didn't see anything obvious) May 10 20:43:43 <Jason_at_Intel> I am looking and not finding it May 10 20:43:46 <dirk_> wasn't there a ML discussion about it? May 10 20:44:10 <dirk_> with Steven's name on it? May 10 20:44:44 <garyo> if you can find it (even later after this), post it. May 10 20:45:22 <dirk_> sure, and for now? 3.x p2? May 10 20:45:54 <dirk_> or can one of you take it? May 10 20:46:16 <dirk_> it's a bit over my head, I fear ;) May 10 20:46:16 <garyo> Otherwise we'll have to treat this issue as the one. I guess I'd go for 2.2 p2. And yes I can take it. May 10 20:46:23 <garyo> so 2.2 p2 garyo May 10 20:46:29 <dirk_> +1 May 10 20:46:47 <Jason_at_Intel> +1 May 10 20:46:56 <garyo> 2701 doesn't seem like a real bug to me May 10 20:47:28 <garyo> (well OK it's a real bug but what could we do about it?) May 10 20:47:51 <dirk_> can we ask the user for a repro case? May 10 20:48:10 <garyo> yes, good plan. I'll do that. May 10 20:48:12 <Jason_at_Intel> I am not sure... but I think i seeing this I parts May 10 20:48:19 <garyo> Then we'll re-triage. May 10 20:48:29 <garyo> Jason: if you get a repro case, post in that bug. May 10 20:48:30 <Jason_at_Intel> the taskmaster seems to mess up in certain cases when storing data May 10 20:48:58 <Jason_at_Intel> I will look at May 10 20:49:17 <garyo> so 2701, ask for repro case then re-triage. (I guess that's "research garyo") May 10 20:49:28 <garyo> 2702 May 10 20:49:31 <dirk_> +1 May 10 20:49:43 <garyo> that one's mine I guess :-) May 10 20:50:00 <dirk_> 2702: +1 May 10 20:50:05 <garyo> Maybe I should look at that one before Jan's Java stuff. Looks like I should if it's a regression. May 10 20:50:43 <garyo> ok, 2702: 2.1 p1 garyo. May 10 20:50:48 <garyo> 2707? May 10 20:51:43 <garyo> How about 2.2 p3 for that one. Will need an owner though. May 10 20:51:58 <dirk_> +1, but I don't quite understand the fix May 10 20:52:23 <garyo> It just strips out the dir part of the pathname. May 10 20:53:23 * madewokherd has quit (Remote host closed the connection) May 10 20:53:27 <garyo> ... since the module doesn't get created in the subdir, just in the current dir. May 10 20:53:37 <dirk_> still don't see it, but it's late...I can take this one May 10 20:53:52 <garyo> ok, 2.2 p3 dirk? May 10 20:53:59 <dirk_> okay May 10 20:54:52 <garyo> 2711: Dirk, looks like you know what to do here, you ok with 2.1 or 2.2? May 10 20:54:57 <garyo> maybe 2.2? May 10 20:55:08 <dirk_> 2.1 is fine with me May 10 20:55:26 <garyo> ok, since it's doc why not. 2.1 p3 dirk. May 10 20:55:45 <dirk_> right May 10 20:55:52 <garyo> 2712 I think we should close as invalid. May 10 20:56:05 <dirk_> +1 May 10 20:56:36 <dirk_> jason, are you still there? May 10 20:57:00 <garyo> maybe if he's gone it's time to close up for tonight (or this morning!) May 10 20:57:20 <Jason_at_Intel> I am still here May 10 20:57:27 <garyo> ok May 10 20:57:51 <garyo> I think we should stop w/ 2713 anyway since I do have to go at 9pm (3 min) May 10 20:58:14 <garyo> 2713: Dirk, were my comments in the spreadsheet helpful? May 10 20:58:23 <Jason_at_Intel> ok with me May 10 20:58:46 <dirk_> yes, I can make something out of it, I hope, +1 May 10 20:58:58 <garyo> 2.1 p3 dirk (for the doc improvements) May 10 20:59:02 <garyo> thanks Dirk!! May 10 20:59:19 <dirk_> Thank you for taking the lead a bit! May 10 20:59:27 <Jason_at_Intel> +1 May 10 20:59:33 <Jason_at_Intel> thanks gary May 10 20:59:33 <garyo> y'r welcome. Someone needed to do it I guess May 10 20:59:37 <garyo> :-) May 10 20:59:56 <dirk_> Exactly, so we keep the rest for the next party? May 10 20:59:58 <garyo> So, I'll get on my p1, Dirk you see what you can get in before Bill spins the checkpoint. May 10 21:00:22 <garyo> Dirk: yes, I'll enter these changes and revise the spreadsheet for next time (keeping the current comments) May 10 21:00:43 <Jason_at_Intel> so Gary.. offline.. can we talk about 2728 May 10 21:00:57 <dirk_> Cool, so goodnight everybody! May 10 21:01:11 <garyo> g'night! May 10 21:01:18 <garyo> Jason: sure. The logging one? May 10 21:01:20 <Jason_at_Intel> good night (morning) dirk! May 10 21:01:24 <Jason_at_Intel> yes May 10 21:01:25 <dirk_> Bye Gary, bye Jason! May 10 21:01:48 <garyo> Jason: just email me about it. Or skype is fine too, I'm gary.oberbrunner. May 10 21:02:12 <garyo> gotta go, talk again soon! May 10 21:02:17 <Jason_at_Intel> ok... May 10 21:02:20 <Jason_at_Intel> bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 10 21:02:23 2011
