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3 17:30:33 <GregNoel> Hi, Gary; Steven's not here yet; you've still got some time for the spreadsheet
4 17:30:50 <garyo-home> working on it...
5 17:31:14 <GregNoel> I've been watching
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7 17:32:56 <stevenknight> hola amigos. been a long time since I rapped at ya
8 17:33:06 <bdbaddog> :)
9 17:33:12 <garyo-home> Hi Steven.
10 17:33:15 <GregNoel> Hi, Steven; Gary's about half-way through the spreadsheet
11 17:33:24 <garyo-home> 55%!
12 17:33:25 <garyo-home> :-)
13 17:33:49 <GregNoel> garyo-home, don't bother with the consensus lines; I can get them.
14 17:34:00 <garyo-home> ok
15 17:34:28 <GregNoel> stevenknight, hablas espanol?
16 17:34:36 <stevenknight> no
17 17:35:03 <GregNoel> how about jive?
18 17:35:10 <garyo-home> :-)
19 17:35:12 <stevenknight> it's a quote from one of The Onion's "regular columnists"
20 17:35:24 <garyo-home> The druggie one
21 17:35:25 <stevenknight> chump don' want no help, chump don' get no help
22 17:35:28 <GregNoel> Ah. Never read them, I'm afraid
23 17:36:13 <GregNoel> anyhoo, should we start?
24 17:36:21 <stevenknight> sure
25 17:36:25 <garyo-home> sure, go ahead
26 17:36:48 * stevenknight rearranges his windows...
27 17:37:13 * GregNoel moves to a different screen
28 17:37:15 * stevenknight ...and curses Mac's click-to-focus
29 17:37:55 <GregNoel> I can't figure out why Gary's on the spreadsheet twice...
30 17:38:19 <garyo-home> because my laptop's open on the couch.
31 17:38:43 <garyo-home> not any more.
32 17:37:58 <stevenknight> 2391: consensus 2.1 p3 stevenknight?
33 17:38:07 <stevenknight> er
34 17:38:15 <stevenknight> 2391: consensus 2.1 p2 stevenknight
35 17:38:48 <GregNoel> yes, consensus, but should we contact David directly?
36 17:39:16 <stevenknight> works for me
37 17:39:27 <garyo-home> yes
38 17:39:44 <GregNoel> The reason I even mention it is that _none_ of the GSoC students are responding to my entreaties to fix their proposals.
39 17:40:02 <stevenknight> the one i18n guy kind of did
40 17:40:04 <garyo-home> Hm, that's not good.
41 17:40:17 <garyo-home> I've been behind on asking for updates myself.
42 17:40:22 <stevenknight> ditto
43 17:40:30 <GregNoel> but not to discuss here; we've got too much to do
44 17:40:34 <stevenknight> right
45 17:40:49 <stevenknight> 2391: consensu 2.1 p2 ask David, SK as backup
46 17:40:54 <garyo-home> perfect
47 17:40:58 <GregNoel> done
48 17:41:10 <garyo-home> 1632 I'll take
49 17:41:20 <GregNoel> 1632, consensus
50 17:41:27 <stevenknight> done
51 17:41:38 <stevenknight> 2288: consensus
52 17:41:46 <GregNoel> yep
53 17:41:45 <garyo-home> 2288 actually I think we should just close it.
54 17:42:04 <GregNoel> Hmm... Yeah, I agree.
55 17:42:13 <stevenknight> works for me
56 17:42:23 <stevenknight> 2288: close invalid?
57 17:42:31 <GregNoel> ok, 2388, close worksforme?
58 17:42:45 <stevenknight> worksforme works for me
59 17:42:54 <GregNoel> my line....
60 17:42:52 <garyo-home> wfm is ok w' me too
61 17:43:12 <GregNoel> OK, I'll handle that. next?
62 17:43:22 <stevenknight> 2306: consensus anytime p4 +Easy
63 17:43:32 <GregNoel> sigh, yes
64 17:43:54 <garyo-home> 2363: mine
65 17:44:04 <stevenknight> 2363: consensus as well
66 17:44:08 <GregNoel> done
67 17:44:15 <garyo-home> I'll have some airplane time in a week, good time to knock off a few bugs
68 17:44:20 <stevenknight> 2370: consensus
69 17:44:36 <GregNoel> 2370, done
70 17:44:46 <stevenknight> 2374: DUP, Greg to figure out specifics
71 17:44:58 <GregNoel> done
72 17:45:31 <garyo-home> 2375: Greg, your call on schedule
73 17:45:32 <stevenknight> 2375: 2.1, and add to DeprecatedFeatures
74 17:45:59 <GregNoel> hmmm...
75 17:46:38 <GregNoel> Yeah, I'll take care of it
76 17:47:06 <stevenknight> 2376: 2.x p3 stevenknight
77 17:47:17 <GregNoel> done
78 17:47:30 <stevenknight> 2377: 2.1 p3 Ludwig,+Easy
79 17:47:34 <GregNoel> done
80 17:47:58 <GregNoel> 2379, I think we should ignore the rebuilds
81 17:47:59 <stevenknight> 2379: dup 1673, mark 1673 +Easy
82 17:48:08 <stevenknight> agree re: ignore rebuilds
83 17:48:30 <garyo-home> ok then, I'll take it.
84 17:48:46 <GregNoel> If anyone depends on it, they're sunk anyway; the only ones that would rebuild are those who don't care
85 17:48:48 <garyo-home> (I mean it's a dup)
86 17:49:16 <garyo-home> It'll cause rebuilds for anyone with two CheckLib calls.
87 17:49:30 <garyo-home> But I'm OK w/ that.
88 17:49:49 <GregNoel> Call it a feature, part of the upgrade to 2.0
89 17:49:56 <garyo-home> It's more autotools-like.
90 17:50:20 <garyo-home> 2380: Steven?
91 17:51:15 <stevenknight> 2380: 2.1 p3 +Easy
92 17:51:17 <garyo-home> (testcase just stats the files and checks the inodes, Un*x only)
93 17:51:31 <stevenknight> add a note re: needing a test case
94 17:52:11 <stevenknight> i could do it, but it would be good to try to recruit more people to +Easy issues
95 17:52:16 <stevenknight> maybe even the person who filed it
96 17:53:01 <GregNoel> I'll ask, but I'm not holding my breath.
97 17:53:08 <garyo-home> I'll send out an email to the list recruiting people to fix +Easy issues
98 17:53:29 <GregNoel> Good idea
99 17:53:38 <GregNoel> we also need a wiki page about it
100 17:53:52 <garyo-home> With a query like the bug party one? Great idea.
101 17:53:58 <GregNoel> yep
102 17:54:04 <stevenknight> yes
103 17:54:04 <garyo-home> Can you do that?
104 17:54:34 <GregNoel> Er, if you were going to write a note, just write a wiki page instead?
105 17:54:49 <garyo-home> OK, I'll do both. I'll look at your existing query for inspiration.
106 17:55:01 <GregNoel> (I'm a terrible writer, really.)
107 17:55:36 <garyo-home> 2381: ask them to try vs_revamp
108 17:55:46 <garyo-home> (what's the vs_revamp status these days anyway?)
109 17:56:09 <stevenknight> languishing... :-(
110 17:56:18 <GregNoel> (later in the spreadsheet, he mentions that he's about to make a push)
111 17:56:31 <stevenknight> i think i have some time freeing up, though
112 17:56:44 <bdbaddog> Hey now. I fixed 1 bug on vs_revamp...
113 17:56:45 <GregNoel> It's the only thing holding up 1.3...
114 17:56:48 <stevenknight> it's blocking too much stuff
115 17:56:48 <bdbaddog> not totally stagnant..
116 17:56:56 <stevenknight> bdbaddog++
117 17:57:49 <stevenknight> 2381: 1.3 p1 sk, will point them to vs_revamp
118 17:58:00 <GregNoel> done
119 17:58:23 <stevenknight> 2382: 2.x p3 sk
120 17:58:39 <stevenknight> that sounds like the right timeframe to look at VS project generation
121 17:58:39 <garyo-home> good, I had no clue about it (scanner issue or something?)
122 17:58:48 <stevenknight> or reprioritize it relative to the rest of the big 2.x pile
123 17:59:14 * GregNoel is keeping out of it
124 17:59:20 <stevenknight> no, it's probably just dumping the CPPPATH strings into the .vcproj file
125 17:59:30 <stevenknight> without turning them into Nodes to expand things like '#'
126 17:59:42 <garyo-home> Ok, that would make sense
127 17:59:17 <garyo-home> 2383: consensus
128 17:59:55 <GregNoel> 2383, done
129 18:00:13 <stevenknight> 2384: GregNoel is my hero...
130 18:00:22 <stevenknight> one of 'em, anyway
131 18:01:13 <garyo-home> 2385: frankly, let's just close as invalid. Enough to do elsewhere.
132 18:02:17 <stevenknight> 2385: okay, I can go with that
133 18:02:21 <GregNoel> I'm in favor of invalid, but Steven has a point
134 18:02:22 <stevenknight> 2385: invalid
135 18:02:39 <GregNoel> done
136 18:02:40 <stevenknight> yeah, but is it really worth the time when it could be spent elsewhere?
137 18:02:47 <garyo-home> 'zactly.
138 18:03:03 <stevenknight> 2386: invalid
139 18:03:12 <garyo-home> yes
140 18:03:14 <stevenknight> mention that he should explicitly do these once in a base Environment instance
141 18:03:32 <stevenknight> and then propagate that to the SConscript files that use it for the variants
142 18:03:39 <stevenknight> i can update
143 18:03:47 <garyo-home> great
144 18:03:52 <GregNoel> done
145 18:04:10 <stevenknight> 2387: 2.1 p2 +Easy
146 18:04:35 <GregNoel> who?
147 18:05:02 <GregNoel> garyo-home, AppendUnique is a good idea..
148 18:05:40 <garyo-home> sure, but the patch as is is fine too (and a bit faster)
149 18:05:55 <GregNoel> good point
150 18:06:23 <garyo-home> I could do it with the OP checking the result if time permits
151 18:06:33 <GregNoel> Still need a sucke, ah, volunteer
152 18:06:36 <garyo-home> Or save it as a +Easy
153 18:06:46 <bdbaddog> what tools needed to test?
154 18:07:06 <garyo-home> dmd, I guess?
155 18:07:05 <stevenknight> how about we just put it in?
156 18:07:08 <stevenknight> DMD is kind of a niche
157 18:07:30 <stevenknight> if it does break someone it'll be readily identifiable and correctable
158 18:07:32 <garyo-home> steven: I've done that before, never had any trouble from it
159 18:07:49 <GregNoel> does it need a test?
160 18:07:54 <stevenknight> no
161 18:08:07 <stevenknight> for niche Tool modules like this we tend to go with their flow
162 18:08:10 <GregNoel> OK, I'm fine with Gary doing that, then.
163 18:08:11 <stevenknight> or at least we've done that in the past
164 18:08:13 <garyo-home> yes, but I think that's easy too, just see how many times it appears on the cmd line
165 18:08:28 <stevenknight> if you want to add a test, feel free
166 18:08:31 <garyo-home> :-)
167 18:08:42 <stevenknight> but i think the time's better spent elsewhere
168 18:08:51 <garyo-home> hm, good point.
169 18:08:58 <garyo-home> 5 min vs 45 min.
170 18:09:05 <garyo-home> (no test vs. test)
171 18:09:08 <stevenknight> right
172 18:09:02 <GregNoel> right; 2.1 p2, gary, +Easy
173 18:09:02 <stevenknight> 2387: 2.1 p2 garyo to integrate
174 18:09:11 <stevenknight> done
175 18:09:13 <GregNoel> done
176 18:09:14 <stevenknight> 2388: invalid
177 18:09:20 <GregNoel> done
178 18:09:33 <stevenknight> 2389: doc, i'll volunteer
179 18:09:39 <garyo-home> great
180 18:09:59 <GregNoel> done
181 18:09:46 <bdbaddog> 2387 I can take if you want, does it need to wait til 2.1?
182 18:10:02 <garyo-home> No, anytime is fine!
183 18:10:12 <garyo-home> Thanks!
184 18:10:19 <stevenknight> okay, 2387: 2.1 p2 bdbaddog +Easy
185 18:10:23 <stevenknight> cool, thanks
186 18:10:27 <GregNoel> done
187 18:10:52 <stevenknight> 2390: worksfor me
188 18:11:15 <GregNoel> done
189 18:11:42 <garyo-home> 2392 is another vs_revamp one
190 18:12:15 <GregNoel> 2392, 1.3 p1 sk +VS
191 18:12:19 <stevenknight> done
192 18:12:24 <stevenknight> excellent work
193 18:12:25 <garyo-home> whew!
194 18:12:43 <GregNoel> I'm surprised we got through all of them so quickly
195 18:12:44 <stevenknight> and I still have a few minutes before shuttle stop
196 18:12:50 <stevenknight> lotta consensus in the pre-work
197 18:12:54 <garyo-home> next week same time, right?
198 18:12:59 <GregNoel> yes
199 18:13:01 <stevenknight> yes
200 18:13:45 <GregNoel> Although it's a bit early, I'm still under the weather (as you can tell from my typing) so I'm willing to stop here.
201 18:14:02 <garyo-home> Greg: I need sleep too.
202 18:14:30 <GregNoel> What's that? I've only been sleeping 20 hours a day, and I'm still tired.
203 18:14:56 <garyo-home> Greg: ouch, do you have that sore-throat+exhaustion thing that's going around on the east coast?
204 18:16:35 <GregNoel> garyo-home, no, the 24-hour stomach horror that's lasted three days
205 18:16:55 <garyo-home> Greg: sorry to hear that.
206 18:17:03 <garyo-home> I'll sign off now, c u all later
207 18:17:05 <stevenknight> hope you're both feeling better
208 18:17:10 <stevenknight> see you next week
209 18:17:31 <GregNoel> cul, bye
210 18:17:41 <bdbaddog> l8r
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