1 17:29:35 *	garyo-home (n=chatzill@209-6-158-38.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) has joined #scons
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   3 17:30:33 <GregNoel>	Hi, Gary; Steven's not here yet; you've still got some time for the spreadsheet
   4 17:30:50 <garyo-home>	working on it...
   5 17:31:14 <GregNoel>	I've been watching
   6 17:32:35 *	stevenknight (n=stevenkn@72.14.224.1) has joined #scons
   7 17:32:56 <stevenknight>	hola amigos.  been a long time since I rapped at ya
   8 17:33:06 <bdbaddog>	:)
   9 17:33:12 <garyo-home>	Hi Steven.
  10 17:33:15 <GregNoel>	Hi, Steven; Gary's about half-way through the spreadsheet
  11 17:33:24 <garyo-home>	55%!
  12 17:33:25 <garyo-home>	:-)
  13 17:33:49 <GregNoel>	garyo-home, don't bother with the consensus lines; I can get them.
  14 17:34:00 <garyo-home>	ok
  15 17:34:28 <GregNoel>	stevenknight, hablas espanol?
  16 17:34:36 <stevenknight>	no
  17 17:35:03 <GregNoel>	how about jive?
  18 17:35:10 <garyo-home>	:-)
  19 17:35:12 <stevenknight>	it's a quote from one of The Onion's "regular columnists"
  20 17:35:24 <garyo-home>	The druggie one
  21 17:35:25 <stevenknight>	chump don' want no help, chump don' get no help
  22 17:35:28 <GregNoel>	Ah.  Never read them, I'm afraid
  23 17:36:13 <GregNoel>	anyhoo, should we start?
  24 17:36:21 <stevenknight>	sure
  25 17:36:25 <garyo-home>	sure, go ahead
  26 17:36:48 *	stevenknight rearranges his windows...
  27 17:37:13 *	GregNoel moves to a different screen
  28 17:37:15 *	stevenknight ...and curses Mac's click-to-focus
  29 17:37:55 <GregNoel>	I can't figure out why Gary's on the spreadsheet twice...
  30 17:38:19 <garyo-home>	because my laptop's open on the couch.
  31 17:38:43 <garyo-home>	not any more.
  32 17:37:58 <stevenknight>	2391:  consensus 2.1 p3 stevenknight?
  33 17:38:07 <stevenknight>	er
  34 17:38:15 <stevenknight>	2391:  consensus 2.1 p2 stevenknight
  35 17:38:48 <GregNoel>	yes, consensus, but should we contact David directly?
  36 17:39:16 <stevenknight>	works for me
  37 17:39:27 <garyo-home>	yes
  38 17:39:44 <GregNoel>	The reason I even mention it is that _none_ of the GSoC students are responding to my entreaties to fix their proposals.
  39 17:40:02 <stevenknight>	the one i18n guy kind of did
  40 17:40:04 <garyo-home>	Hm, that's not good.
  41 17:40:17 <garyo-home>	I've been behind on asking for updates myself.
  42 17:40:22 <stevenknight>	ditto
  43 17:40:30 <GregNoel>	but not to discuss here; we've got too much to do
  44 17:40:34 <stevenknight>	right
  45 17:40:49 <stevenknight>	2391:  consensu 2.1 p2 ask David, SK as backup
  46 17:40:54 <garyo-home>	perfect
  47 17:40:58 <GregNoel>	done
  48 17:41:10 <garyo-home>	1632 I'll take
  49 17:41:20 <GregNoel>	1632, consensus
  50 17:41:27 <stevenknight>	done
  51 17:41:38 <stevenknight>	2288: consensus
  52 17:41:46 <GregNoel>	yep
  53 17:41:45 <garyo-home>	2288 actually I think we should just close it.
  54 17:42:04 <GregNoel>	Hmm...  Yeah, I agree.
  55 17:42:13 <stevenknight>	works for me
  56 17:42:23 <stevenknight>	2288:  close invalid?
  57 17:42:31 <GregNoel>	ok, 2388, close worksforme?
  58 17:42:45 <stevenknight>	worksforme works for me
  59 17:42:54 <GregNoel>	my line....
  60 17:42:52 <garyo-home>	wfm is ok w' me too
  61 17:43:12 <GregNoel>	OK, I'll handle that.  next?
  62 17:43:22 <stevenknight>	2306:  consensus anytime p4 +Easy
  63 17:43:32 <GregNoel>	sigh, yes
  64 17:43:54 <garyo-home>	2363: mine
  65 17:44:04 <stevenknight>	2363:  consensus as well
  66 17:44:08 <GregNoel>	done
  67 17:44:15 <garyo-home>	I'll have some airplane time in a week, good time to knock off a few bugs
  68 17:44:20 <stevenknight>	2370:  consensus
  69 17:44:36 <GregNoel>	2370, done
  70 17:44:46 <stevenknight>	2374:  DUP, Greg to figure out specifics
  71 17:44:58 <GregNoel>	done
  72 17:45:31 <garyo-home>	2375: Greg, your call on schedule
  73 17:45:32 <stevenknight>	2375:  2.1, and add to DeprecatedFeatures
  74 17:45:59 <GregNoel>	hmmm...
  75 17:46:38 <GregNoel>	Yeah, I'll take care of it
  76 17:47:06 <stevenknight>	2376:  2.x p3 stevenknight
  77 17:47:17 <GregNoel>	done
  78 17:47:30 <stevenknight>	2377:  2.1 p3 Ludwig,+Easy
  79 17:47:34 <GregNoel>	done
  80 17:47:58 <GregNoel>	2379, I think we should ignore the rebuilds
  81 17:47:59 <stevenknight>	2379:  dup 1673, mark 1673 +Easy
  82 17:48:08 <stevenknight>	agree re: ignore rebuilds
  83 17:48:30 <garyo-home>	ok then, I'll take it.
  84 17:48:46 <GregNoel>	If anyone depends on it, they're sunk anyway; the only ones that would rebuild are those who don't care
  85 17:48:48 <garyo-home>	(I mean it's a dup)
  86 17:49:16 <garyo-home>	It'll cause rebuilds for anyone with two CheckLib calls.
  87 17:49:30 <garyo-home>	But I'm OK w/ that.
  88 17:49:49 <GregNoel>	Call it a feature, part of the upgrade to 2.0
  89 17:49:56 <garyo-home>	It's more autotools-like.
  90 17:50:20 <garyo-home>	2380: Steven?
  91 17:51:15 <stevenknight>	2380:  2.1 p3 +Easy
  92 17:51:17 <garyo-home>	(testcase just stats the files and checks the inodes, Un*x only)
  93 17:51:31 <stevenknight>	add a note re: needing a test case
  94 17:52:11 <stevenknight>	i could do it, but it would be good to try to recruit more people to +Easy issues
  95 17:52:16 <stevenknight>	maybe even the person who filed it
  96 17:53:01 <GregNoel>	I'll ask, but I'm not holding my breath.
  97 17:53:08 <garyo-home>	I'll send out an email to the list recruiting people to fix +Easy issues
  98 17:53:29 <GregNoel>	Good idea
  99 17:53:38 <GregNoel>	we also need a wiki page about it
 100 17:53:52 <garyo-home>	With a query like the bug party one?  Great idea.
 101 17:53:58 <GregNoel>	yep
 102 17:54:04 <stevenknight>	yes
 103 17:54:04 <garyo-home>	Can you do that?
 104 17:54:34 <GregNoel>	Er, if you were going to write a note, just write a wiki page instead?
 105 17:54:49 <garyo-home>	OK, I'll do both.  I'll look at your existing query for inspiration.
 106 17:55:01 <GregNoel>	(I'm a terrible writer, really.)
 107 17:55:36 <garyo-home>	2381: ask them to try vs_revamp
 108 17:55:46 <garyo-home>	(what's the vs_revamp status these days anyway?)
 109 17:56:09 <stevenknight>	languishing... :-(
 110 17:56:18 <GregNoel>	(later in the spreadsheet, he mentions that he's about to make a push)
 111 17:56:31 <stevenknight>	i think i have some time freeing up, though
 112 17:56:44 <bdbaddog>	Hey now. I fixed 1 bug on vs_revamp...
 113 17:56:45 <GregNoel>	It's the only thing holding up 1.3...
 114 17:56:48 <stevenknight>	it's blocking too much stuff
 115 17:56:48 <bdbaddog>	not totally stagnant..
 116 17:56:56 <stevenknight>	bdbaddog++
 117 17:57:49 <stevenknight>	2381:  1.3 p1 sk, will point them to vs_revamp
 118 17:58:00 <GregNoel>	done
 119 17:58:23 <stevenknight>	2382:  2.x p3 sk
 120 17:58:39 <stevenknight>	that sounds like the right timeframe to look at VS project generation
 121 17:58:39 <garyo-home>	good, I had no clue about it (scanner issue or something?)
 122 17:58:48 <stevenknight>	or reprioritize it relative to the rest of the big 2.x pile
 123 17:59:14 *	GregNoel is keeping out of it
 124 17:59:20 <stevenknight>	no, it's probably just dumping the CPPPATH strings into the .vcproj file
 125 17:59:30 <stevenknight>	without turning them into Nodes to expand things like '#'
 126 17:59:42 <garyo-home>	Ok, that would make sense
 127 17:59:17 <garyo-home>	2383: consensus
 128 17:59:55 <GregNoel>	2383, done
 129 18:00:13 <stevenknight>	2384:  GregNoel is my hero...
 130 18:00:22 <stevenknight>	one of 'em, anyway
 131 18:01:13 <garyo-home>	2385: frankly, let's just close as invalid.  Enough to do elsewhere.
 132 18:02:17 <stevenknight>	2385:  okay, I can go with that
 133 18:02:21 <GregNoel>	I'm in favor of invalid, but Steven has a point
 134 18:02:22 <stevenknight>	2385:  invalid
 135 18:02:39 <GregNoel>	done
 136 18:02:40 <stevenknight>	yeah, but is it really worth the time when it could be spent elsewhere?
 137 18:02:47 <garyo-home>	'zactly.
 138 18:03:03 <stevenknight>	2386:  invalid
 139 18:03:12 <garyo-home>	yes
 140 18:03:14 <stevenknight>	mention that he should explicitly do these once in a base Environment instance
 141 18:03:32 <stevenknight>	and then propagate that to the SConscript files that use it for the variants
 142 18:03:39 <stevenknight>	i can update
 143 18:03:47 <garyo-home>	great
 144 18:03:52 <GregNoel>	done
 145 18:04:10 <stevenknight>	2387:  2.1 p2 +Easy
 146 18:04:35 <GregNoel>	who?
 147 18:05:02 <GregNoel>	garyo-home, AppendUnique is a good idea..
 148 18:05:40 <garyo-home>	sure, but the patch as is is fine too (and a bit faster)
 149 18:05:55 <GregNoel>	good point
 150 18:06:23 <garyo-home>	I could do it with the OP checking the result if time permits
 151 18:06:33 <GregNoel>	Still need a sucke, ah, volunteer
 152 18:06:36 <garyo-home>	Or save it as a +Easy
 153 18:06:46 <bdbaddog>	what tools needed to test?
 154 18:07:06 <garyo-home>	dmd, I guess?
 155 18:07:05 <stevenknight>	how about we just put it in?
 156 18:07:08 <stevenknight>	DMD is kind of a niche
 157 18:07:30 <stevenknight>	if it does break someone it'll be readily identifiable and correctable
 158 18:07:32 <garyo-home>	steven: I've done that before, never had any trouble from it
 159 18:07:49 <GregNoel>	does it need a test?
 160 18:07:54 <stevenknight>	no
 161 18:08:07 <stevenknight>	for niche Tool modules like this we tend to go with their flow
 162 18:08:10 <GregNoel>	OK, I'm fine with Gary doing that, then.
 163 18:08:11 <stevenknight>	or at least we've done that in the past
 164 18:08:13 <garyo-home>	yes, but I think that's easy too, just see how many times it appears on the cmd line
 165 18:08:28 <stevenknight>	if you want to add a test, feel free
 166 18:08:31 <garyo-home>	:-)
 167 18:08:42 <stevenknight>	but i think the time's better spent elsewhere
 168 18:08:51 <garyo-home>	hm, good point.
 169 18:08:58 <garyo-home>	5 min vs 45 min.
 170 18:09:05 <garyo-home>	(no test vs. test)
 171 18:09:08 <stevenknight>	right
 172 18:09:02 <GregNoel>	right; 2.1 p2, gary, +Easy
 173 18:09:02 <stevenknight>	2387:  2.1 p2 garyo to integrate
 174 18:09:11 <stevenknight>	done
 175 18:09:13 <GregNoel>	done
 176 18:09:14 <stevenknight>	2388:  invalid
 177 18:09:20 <GregNoel>	done
 178 18:09:33 <stevenknight>	2389:  doc, i'll volunteer
 179 18:09:39 <garyo-home>	great
 180 18:09:59 <GregNoel>	done
 181 18:09:46 <bdbaddog>	2387 I can take if you want, does it need to wait til 2.1?
 182 18:10:02 <garyo-home>	No, anytime is fine!
 183 18:10:12 <garyo-home>	Thanks!
 184 18:10:19 <stevenknight>	okay, 2387:  2.1 p2 bdbaddog +Easy
 185 18:10:23 <stevenknight>	cool, thanks
 186 18:10:27 <GregNoel>	done
 187 18:10:52 <stevenknight>	2390:  worksfor me
 188 18:11:15 <GregNoel>	done
 189 18:11:42 <garyo-home>	2392 is another vs_revamp one
 190 18:12:15 <GregNoel>	2392, 1.3 p1 sk +VS
 191 18:12:19 <stevenknight>	done
 192 18:12:24 <stevenknight>	excellent work
 193 18:12:25 <garyo-home>	whew!
 194 18:12:43 <GregNoel>	I'm surprised we got through all of them so quickly
 195 18:12:44 <stevenknight>	and I still have a few minutes before shuttle stop
 196 18:12:50 <stevenknight>	lotta consensus in the pre-work
 197 18:12:54 <garyo-home>	next week same time, right?
 198 18:12:59 <GregNoel>	yes
 199 18:13:01 <stevenknight>	yes
 200 18:13:45 <GregNoel>	Although it's a bit early, I'm still under the weather (as you can tell from my typing) so I'm willing to stop here.
 201 18:14:02 <garyo-home>	Greg: I need sleep too.
 202 18:14:30 <GregNoel>	What's that?  I've only been sleeping 20 hours a day, and I'm still tired.
 203 18:14:56 <garyo-home>	Greg: ouch, do you have that sore-throat+exhaustion thing that's going around on the east coast?
 204 18:16:35 <GregNoel>	garyo-home, no, the 24-hour stomach horror that's lasted three days
 205 18:16:55 <garyo-home>	Greg: sorry to hear that.
 206 18:17:03 <garyo-home>	I'll sign off now, c u all later
 207 18:17:05 <stevenknight>	hope you're both feeling better
 208 18:17:10 <stevenknight>	see you next week
 209 18:17:31 <GregNoel>	cul, bye
 210 18:17:41 <bdbaddog>	l8r
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