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16:49:09 garyo-home Hi, Greg.
16:59:36 GregNoel Hi. Steven said he would be late; anyone else here for the bug party? Still a minute to go.
17:00:56 garyo-home hmm, maybe it's just us?
17:01:05 GregNoel Yup.
17:01:13 garyo-home Need a bit more of a quorum than that I think.
17:01:24 garyo-home Anyway I'm looking at some of the 2007q2 issues...
17:01:20 GregNoel Do you want to go back and work some issues while we wait?
17:01:39 garyo-home shall we just wait a few minutes?
17:01:45 GregNoel yup.
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17:31:23 GregNoel Hi, Steven
17:31:26 stevenknight hey
17:31:27 garyo-home Hi Steven!
17:31:44 stevenknight which spreadsheet and # are we on?
17:32:00 GregNoel Waiting for you; first one of current issues.
17:32:09 garyo-home Hi Steven -- it's just Greg & me so we were waiting for you.
17:32:55 stevenknight okay
17:33:18 garyo-home Shall we just start w/ the new ones, then?
17:33:25 GregNoel 2087
17:33:39 stevenknight 1.x, no one's weighed in on priority so... p3?
17:33:52 garyo-home ok w/ me
17:33:55 stevenknight question is who
17:34:22 GregNoel As I indicated, I don't think Mark has experience with Python.
17:34:24 stevenknight ah, just saw the note re: Flacy
17:34:38 GregNoel He's probably good with advice, but not programming.
17:34:37 garyo-home So that means Rob I guess?
17:34:45 GregNoel Yes, Rob.
17:34:50 stevenknight sure
17:34:59 stevenknight 1.x, p3, rob ... done
17:35:04 GregNoel ok, done, next
17:35:32 garyo-home 2088: easy, but needs testing. Who has Java?
17:35:54 GregNoel Not me
17:35:49 stevenknight i'm creating a VM that anyone can run with a reasonable subset of necessary tools
17:35:53 stevenknight including Java 1.5 and 1.6
17:36:04 garyo-home ah, good. Linux + Java?
17:36:10 stevenknight yeah, ubuntu
17:36:14 garyo-home excellent
17:36:28 stevenknight starting with JEOS == Just Enough Operating System
17:36:30 garyo-home I just made an ubuntu vm for doing scons doc w/ all the doc tools
17:36:47 stevenknight did you start with workstation?
17:37:00 garyo-home I got a prebuilt 8.04 from somewhere.
17:37:12 stevenknight ah, i bet i know which one
17:37:14 garyo-home it's kind of bloated.
17:37:13 GregNoel And I obviously need to get a VM to run Mac Classic
17:37:32 garyo-home GregNoel: :-) :-)
17:37:56 GregNoel garyo-home, well, I still want to play Civ II :-(
17:38:00 garyo-home anyway, so 2088 can be done easily & tested on this vm?
17:38:11 stevenknight Ken volunteered off-line to make bandwidth available for people to download the VM
17:38:21 garyo-home Greg: I just fired up my Amiga 1000 for my 9-year-old, he loves it
17:38:42 GregNoel Hmmm, I wonder if my Amigas still work...
17:38:30 stevenknight yes, VM should be good for testing
17:38:50 garyo-home Stevenknight: I'll d/l & try it. Ken should put the pointer on the dev list.
17:39:14 stevenknight it's not there yet, but I'll get with him and get it set up
17:39:33 garyo-home OK. I don't want to be the "java guy" though, I know nothing about it.
17:39:33 GregNoel so 2088, gary, when?
17:39:35 stevenknight after 0.98.5 is out (sourceforge *finally* got the release system working again this afternoon)
17:39:42 stevenknight 2088: gary, 1.x, p4
17:39:43 garyo-home 1.x p3
17:39:47 stevenknight p3
17:39:51 stevenknight i meant to say... :-)
17:39:56 GregNoel done
17:40:23 GregNoel 2089
17:40:47 stevenknight 2089: do we have a NEEDSMOREINFO for kicking something back to the filing user?
17:41:08 GregNoel no, "research" is best, with a comment
17:41:25 garyo-home ok w/ me
17:41:39 GregNoel I'll kick it back and we'll re-triage it next time?
17:41:29 stevenknight okay, i'd say "research" and Russel
17:41:57 stevenknight or whenever he updates with more info, i really want to understand what he expected
17:42:37 stevenknight i think he expected it to select the compiler, but i'm not sure
17:42:45 stevenknight if so, then it's a feature request
17:42:36 GregNoel done
17:42:41 GregNoel 2090
17:42:53 garyo-home ok, 2090? I'm staying out of this one.
17:43:31 GregNoel Uh, I'm not sure what to say
17:43:35 stevenknight 2090: i think a doc issue re: LANG for 1.0, p3
17:43:47 garyo-home ok w/ me
17:43:50 GregNoel OK
17:43:53 stevenknight and a new issue to track adding a warning
17:44:02 stevenknight probably 1.x, p2 (?)
17:44:15 GregNoel Where should the note be, under env.Java()?
17:44:35 garyo-home that's where I'd look.
17:44:47 GregNoel I'm not sure we need a warning
17:45:18 garyo-home not a big deal for me, doc is ok
17:45:27 stevenknight okay, makes life simpler all around
17:45:39 stevenknight then 1.0, p3, doc
17:45:47 GregNoel done
17:45:57 garyo-home 2091: add new optional arg?
17:46:15 garyo-home 1.x p3? I'll do it.
17:46:26 stevenknight works for me
17:46:36 stevenknight one thing just occurred to me, though...
17:46:53 stevenknight isn't AppendUnique(keep_existing=True) just a different name for Append()???
17:47:17 garyo-home No, it would do nothing if it exists rather than deleting the old copy and appending.
17:47:21 garyo-home (right?)
17:47:33 stevenknight but it doesn't delete the old copy
17:47:40 GregNoel the option would have to be changed; existing semantics are those of keep_existing
17:47:49 stevenknight that's why Greg was saying AppendUnique() keeps the left-most
17:48:02 stevenknight at least I don't think it does... let me check...
17:48:18 GregNoel The option would have to be, ah, delete_existing or some such
17:48:32 stevenknight replace=
17:48:57 GregNoel replace what??
17:49:07 stevenknight make the keyword replace=
17:49:23 stevenknight oh, wait, that would imply replacing in place, not deleting the old and appending the new
17:49:25 GregNoel It's not a replacement, either. The existing is deleted.
17:49:31 stevenknight right
17:50:09 GregNoel so 2091, 1.x p2, gary?
17:50:24 stevenknight yes
17:50:33 garyo-home ok, what was the resolution on the keyword name?
17:50:34 stevenknight Gary, you all right with naming it "replace_existing="?
17:50:40 stevenknight wrong
17:50:47 stevenknight "delete_existing="
17:51:06 garyo-home yes, that's fine w/ me. Defaults to false.
17:51:21 stevenknight right
17:51:23 GregNoel done
17:51:32 GregNoel 2094, I'll buy p5
17:51:53 garyo-home sure
17:52:01 stevenknight 2093: 1.0, doc, Gary
17:52:10 garyo-home yes, I assumed that.
17:52:23 stevenknight 2094: 1.x, p5, Benoit
17:52:58 GregNoel works for me
17:53:34 stevenknight okay, enough time to start the next spreadsheet?
17:53:35 garyo-home OK, on to 2007q2 I guess?
17:53:48 stevenknight yes
17:54:33 stevenknight 1615: already consensus
17:54:34 GregNoel 1643 is first
17:54:39 stevenknight 1617: already consensus
17:54:42 garyo-home we skip the DONE ones, move right to 1643?
17:54:42 stevenknight ah
17:55:01 stevenknight oh, hey, there's DONE strings there... :-)
17:55:04 stevenknight nice
17:55:25 garyo-home Brandon said he updated it, maybe that was a different ticket or something?
17:55:42 garyo-home I think get more info from user.
17:55:50 GregNoel must have been
17:56:11 garyo-home pretty weird behavior though.
17:56:13 stevenknight agree: research, Brandon
17:56:21 GregNoel OK
17:56:59 garyo-home 1644
17:57:17 garyo-home Greg, I like your idea of starting all out blank, but it's impractical for now, agreed?
17:57:32 stevenknight that's 1.x p2
17:57:36 garyo-home I say just fix this one case for now in 1.x p2.
17:57:53 stevenknight agree with both of you re: both __RPATH and public variables starting blank
17:58:38 * GregNoel has been overrun by rugrats; wait a sec
17:58:41 garyo-home ok, so David, 1.x, p2, in the Conservatory, with the Knife?
17:58:47 garyo-home :-)
17:58:58 stevenknight yes
17:59:59 GregNoel ok, 1644, not completely impractical, but it should be a policy; move toward it in the future.
18:00:12 garyo-home agreed.
18:00:24 GregNoel yes, 1.x p2, David
18:00:37 GregNoel 1646
18:00:32 garyo-home 1646: Ludwig GSoC sounds good to me.
18:00:42 GregNoel done
18:00:45 stevenknight ludwig gsoc++
18:01:23 GregNoel 1660, close
18:01:53 garyo-home yup
18:02:20 stevenknight yes, close
18:02:23 GregNoel done
18:02:36 GregNoel 1681
18:02:48 garyo-home 1661: Steven, does VS cleanup possibly include using bat files to get env vars?
18:02:56 garyo-home Or is it two separate things?
18:03:34 stevenknight includes .bat files
18:03:59 garyo-home ok, I'm a big VS user so if you do it I'll help.
18:04:16 GregNoel collaboration++
18:04:19 stevenknight yeah, it's turning into a case of when in Rome...
18:04:29 garyo-home stevenknight: exactly.
18:05:15 stevenknight never thought that i'd have to become such a Windows geek, though... :-)
18:05:42 garyo-home sorry, happens to the best of us
18:05:45 stevenknight looks like that's it for 2007q2
18:06:14 GregNoel 1662?
18:06:29 garyo-home 2.x p2?
18:06:39 stevenknight ah, skipped one
18:06:45 stevenknight yeah, 2.x p2
18:06:46 GregNoel more than one
18:07:00 stevenknight oh, wow, so we did
18:07:17 GregNoel We???
18:07:29 stevenknight good point
18:07:34 stevenknight "me"
18:07:40 stevenknight must have scrolled down too far...
18:07:58 GregNoel Sometimes it scrolls in pieces; that's bit me before
18:08:10 stevenknight no, waitaminnit, someone above mentioned 1681... :-)
18:08:25 GregNoel typo
18:08:34 stevenknight aha
18:08:48 GregNoel next line says 1661, which was correct
18:08:59 GregNoel my eyes are too old to read that tiny type
18:09:21 garyo-home anyway, 1662 is i18n, 2.x p2?
18:09:30 stevenknight okay, 1662 2.x p2
18:09:37 GregNoel I'll buy it
18:09:55 GregNoel 1663?
18:09:59 garyo-home then 1663, latex, 2.x unless a patch magically appears?
18:10:01 stevenknight 1663: 2.x, Rob, encourage WONTFIX
18:10:09 GregNoel works for me
18:10:33 garyo-home 1667: would be nice if we had a contrib/ folder, but not until 2.0 IMHO
18:11:24 stevenknight agree re: contrib/
18:11:35 GregNoel 1667 is DONE; 1673?
18:11:39 stevenknight make a bunch of the wiki stuff more accessible / useful
18:11:47 stevenknight 1673: 1.0.x, p1
18:11:58 stevenknight who?
18:11:59 garyo-home ok w me
18:12:14 GregNoel done
18:12:43 garyo-home 1674 is trivial I think
18:13:02 GregNoel DONE
18:13:22 GregNoel 1675?
18:13:26 garyo-home 1675 I already replied to him
18:13:37 garyo-home just wait & see now.
18:13:43 GregNoel Yeah, and I think you're right
18:13:50 stevenknight 1675: probably end up closing, i don't think there's a SCons problem here
18:13:59 garyo-home agree
18:14:01 stevenknight but okay to wait until he replies (if he does)
18:14:14 GregNoel Defer until next week?
18:14:32 garyo-home ok. Or could close, and let user reopen if they still care?
18:14:39 garyo-home (Can users reopen tickets?)
18:15:08 GregNoel I think so; Bugzilla could
18:15:09 stevenknight good question, i thought they can, but don't really know
18:15:24 garyo-home anyway safer to defer for a week anyway.
18:15:36 garyo-home ... anyway. didn't say that enough in the last line, anyway.
18:15:55 garyo-home 1679 dup?
18:15:59 GregNoel DONE
18:16:08 stevenknight done
18:16:09 garyo-home 1681 consensus
18:16:15 GregNoel next quarter, or break here?
18:16:32 stevenknight now, i think we've finished 2007q2...
18:16:36 garyo-home I should go I'm afraid.
18:16:43 stevenknight me too
18:16:49 GregNoel OK, what about next week?
18:16:50 stevenknight same time next week...?
18:16:57 GregNoel I have a conflict...
18:16:58 garyo-home see you all next wk, I can do it then.
18:17:05 garyo-home Greg: different night better?
18:17:15 GregNoel I'll have to leave before 18 o'clock
18:17:23 stevenknight Greg: another ntime Monday or another night?
18:17:33 GregNoel let me check
18:17:39 stevenknight i'm okay with 17h00 - 18h00
18:18:12 garyo-home that's the usual time, right?
18:18:14 GregNoel Tuesday is OK
18:18:19 * garyo-home does time math in head...
18:18:22 stevenknight right
18:18:26 stevenknight usual time
18:18:35 garyo-home I can do Tuesday usual time also.
18:18:52 stevenknight let's go with Tuesday then
18:18:54 garyo-home Let's try to get more attendance next time. Mailing list reminder?
18:19:01 stevenknight yes
18:19:21 GregNoel multiple reminders
18:19:00 GregNoel Wednesday the 18th I leave for ten days; the party after next you're on your own.
18:19:35 stevenknight GregNoel: maybe I should prep next week's spreadsheets so you're available if questions come up
18:19:41 stevenknight or gary
18:20:01 GregNoel I'm preparing a wiki page; should be ready soon
18:20:05 garyo-home I'm getting very busy at work, 3 new empl's including new CEO this wk...
18:20:15 garyo-home I'll try to keep up my end of things though.
18:20:22 stevenknight wow, congratulations on the expansion
18:20:38 garyo-home thx, it's exciting but as VP/eng I'm in the thick of it.
18:20:37 stevenknight did you do an exec search for CEO?
18:20:48 garyo-home yes, big exec search.
18:21:00 GregNoel So he's fat? {;-}
18:21:12 stevenknight who handled it for you? one of the big national recruiting firms or a local?
18:21:16 garyo-home we're up to 13 people, 3 engineers and a new database guy.
18:21:43 garyo-home Steven: a guy our investors recommended, name slips my mind atm...
18:21:53 stevenknight np
18:22:02 stevenknight that's really cool, glad to hear things are going well
18:22:08 garyo-home Todd Savage.
18:22:21 garyo-home He was good, but not cheap.
18:22:42 garyo-home Greg, just saw yr comment :-)
18:22:59 garyo-home & actually no, *she*'s thin.
18:23:04 GregNoel Wasn't that funny in retrospect
18:23:17 garyo-home that's irc for you.
18:23:47 garyo-home anyway guys, have a good week, I'll try to squash a few of my bugs this week.
18:23:58 GregNoel <splat!>
18:24:02 garyo-home :-)
18:24:12 garyo-home c ya
18:24:14 GregNoel bye
18:24:20 stevenknight okay, thanks
18:24:22 stevenknight later
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