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2 16:49:09 <garyo-home> Hi, Greg.
3 16:59:36 <GregNoel> Hi. Steven said he would be late; anyone else here for the bug party? Still a minute to go.
4 17:00:56 <garyo-home> hmm, maybe it's just us?
5 17:01:05 <GregNoel> Yup.
6 17:01:13 <garyo-home> Need a bit more of a quorum than that I think.
7 17:01:24 <garyo-home> Anyway I'm looking at some of the 2007q2 issues...
8 17:01:20 <GregNoel> Do you want to go back and work some issues while we wait?
9 17:01:39 <garyo-home> shall we just wait a few minutes?
10 17:01:45 <GregNoel> yup.
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12 17:31:23 <GregNoel> Hi, Steven
13 17:31:26 <stevenknight> hey
14 17:31:27 <garyo-home> Hi Steven!
15 17:31:44 <stevenknight> which spreadsheet and # are we on?
16 17:32:00 <GregNoel> Waiting for you; first one of current issues.
17 17:32:09 <garyo-home> Hi Steven -- it's just Greg & me so we were waiting for you.
18 17:32:55 <stevenknight> okay
19 17:33:18 <garyo-home> Shall we just start w/ the new ones, then?
20 17:33:25 <GregNoel> 2087
21 17:33:39 <stevenknight> 1.x, no one's weighed in on priority so... p3?
22 17:33:52 <garyo-home> ok w/ me
23 17:33:55 <stevenknight> question is who
24 17:34:22 <GregNoel> As I indicated, I don't think Mark has experience with Python.
25 17:34:24 <stevenknight> ah, just saw the note re: Flacy
26 17:34:38 <GregNoel> He's probably good with advice, but not programming.
27 17:34:37 <garyo-home> So that means Rob I guess?
28 17:34:45 <GregNoel> Yes, Rob.
29 17:34:50 <stevenknight> sure
30 17:34:59 <stevenknight> 1.x, p3, rob ... done
31 17:35:04 <GregNoel> ok, done, next
32 17:35:32 <garyo-home> 2088: easy, but needs testing. Who has Java?
33 17:35:54 <GregNoel> Not me
34 17:35:49 <stevenknight> i'm creating a VM that anyone can run with a reasonable subset of necessary tools
35 17:35:53 <stevenknight> including Java 1.5 and 1.6
36 17:36:04 <garyo-home> ah, good. Linux + Java?
37 17:36:10 <stevenknight> yeah, ubuntu
38 17:36:14 <garyo-home> excellent
39 17:36:28 <stevenknight> starting with JEOS == Just Enough Operating System
40 17:36:30 <garyo-home> I just made an ubuntu vm for doing scons doc w/ all the doc tools
41 17:36:47 <stevenknight> did you start with workstation?
42 17:37:00 <garyo-home> I got a prebuilt 8.04 from somewhere.
43 17:37:12 <stevenknight> ah, i bet i know which one
44 17:37:14 <garyo-home> it's kind of bloated.
45 17:37:13 <GregNoel> And I obviously need to get a VM to run Mac Classic
46 17:37:32 <garyo-home> GregNoel: :-) :-)
47 17:37:56 <GregNoel> garyo-home, well, I still want to play Civ II :-(
48 17:38:00 <garyo-home> anyway, so 2088 can be done easily & tested on this vm?
49 17:38:11 <stevenknight> Ken volunteered off-line to make bandwidth available for people to download the VM
50 17:38:21 <garyo-home> Greg: I just fired up my Amiga 1000 for my 9-year-old, he loves it
51 17:38:42 <GregNoel> Hmmm, I wonder if my Amigas still work...
52 17:38:30 <stevenknight> yes, VM should be good for testing
53 17:38:50 <garyo-home> Stevenknight: I'll d/l & try it. Ken should put the pointer on the dev list.
54 17:39:14 <stevenknight> it's not there yet, but I'll get with him and get it set up
55 17:39:33 <garyo-home> OK. I don't want to be the "java guy" though, I know nothing about it.
56 17:39:33 <GregNoel> so 2088, gary, when?
57 17:39:35 <stevenknight> after 0.98.5 is out (sourceforge *finally* got the release system working again this afternoon)
58 17:39:42 <stevenknight> 2088: gary, 1.x, p4
59 17:39:43 <garyo-home> 1.x p3
60 17:39:47 <stevenknight> p3
61 17:39:51 <stevenknight> i meant to say... :-)
62 17:39:56 <GregNoel> done
63 17:40:23 <GregNoel> 2089
64 17:40:47 <stevenknight> 2089: do we have a NEEDSMOREINFO for kicking something back to the filing user?
65 17:41:08 <GregNoel> no, "research" is best, with a comment
66 17:41:25 <garyo-home> ok w/ me
67 17:41:39 <GregNoel> I'll kick it back and we'll re-triage it next time?
68 17:41:29 <stevenknight> okay, i'd say "research" and Russel
69 17:41:57 <stevenknight> or whenever he updates with more info, i really want to understand what he expected
70 17:42:37 <stevenknight> i think he expected it to select the compiler, but i'm not sure
71 17:42:45 <stevenknight> if so, then it's a feature request
72 17:42:36 <GregNoel> done
73 17:42:41 <GregNoel> 2090
74 17:42:53 <garyo-home> ok, 2090? I'm staying out of this one.
75 17:43:31 <GregNoel> Uh, I'm not sure what to say
76 17:43:35 <stevenknight> 2090: i think a doc issue re: LANG for 1.0, p3
77 17:43:47 <garyo-home> ok w/ me
78 17:43:50 <GregNoel> OK
79 17:43:53 <stevenknight> and a new issue to track adding a warning
80 17:44:02 <stevenknight> probably 1.x, p2 (?)
81 17:44:15 <GregNoel> Where should the note be, under env.Java()?
82 17:44:35 <garyo-home> that's where I'd look.
83 17:44:47 <GregNoel> I'm not sure we need a warning
84 17:45:18 <garyo-home> not a big deal for me, doc is ok
85 17:45:27 <stevenknight> okay, makes life simpler all around
86 17:45:39 <stevenknight> then 1.0, p3, doc
87 17:45:47 <GregNoel> done
88 17:45:57 <garyo-home> 2091: add new optional arg?
89 17:46:15 <garyo-home> 1.x p3? I'll do it.
90 17:46:26 <stevenknight> works for me
91 17:46:36 <stevenknight> one thing just occurred to me, though...
92 17:46:53 <stevenknight> isn't AppendUnique(keep_existing=True) just a different name for Append()???
93 17:47:17 <garyo-home> No, it would do nothing if it exists rather than deleting the old copy and appending.
94 17:47:21 <garyo-home> (right?)
95 17:47:33 <stevenknight> but it doesn't delete the old copy
96 17:47:40 <GregNoel> the option would have to be changed; existing semantics are those of keep_existing
97 17:47:49 <stevenknight> that's why Greg was saying AppendUnique() keeps the left-most
98 17:48:02 <stevenknight> at least I don't think it does... let me check...
99 17:48:18 <GregNoel> The option would have to be, ah, delete_existing or some such
100 17:48:32 <stevenknight> replace=
101 17:48:57 <GregNoel> replace what??
102 17:49:07 <stevenknight> make the keyword replace=
103 17:49:23 <stevenknight> oh, wait, that would imply replacing in place, not deleting the old and appending the new
104 17:49:25 <GregNoel> It's not a replacement, either. The existing is deleted.
105 17:49:31 <stevenknight> right
106 17:50:09 <GregNoel> so 2091, 1.x p2, gary?
107 17:50:24 <stevenknight> yes
108 17:50:33 <garyo-home> ok, what was the resolution on the keyword name?
109 17:50:34 <stevenknight> Gary, you all right with naming it "replace_existing="?
110 17:50:40 <stevenknight> wrong
111 17:50:47 <stevenknight> "delete_existing="
112 17:51:06 <garyo-home> yes, that's fine w/ me. Defaults to false.
113 17:51:21 <stevenknight> right
114 17:51:23 <GregNoel> done
115 17:51:32 <GregNoel> 2094, I'll buy p5
116 17:51:53 <garyo-home> sure
117 17:52:01 <stevenknight> 2093: 1.0, doc, Gary
118 17:52:10 <garyo-home> yes, I assumed that.
119 17:52:23 <stevenknight> 2094: 1.x, p5, Benoit
120 17:52:58 <GregNoel> works for me
121 17:53:34 <stevenknight> okay, enough time to start the next spreadsheet?
122 17:53:35 <garyo-home> OK, on to 2007q2 I guess?
123 17:53:48 <stevenknight> yes
124 17:54:33 <stevenknight> 1615: already consensus
125 17:54:34 <GregNoel> 1643 is first
126 17:54:39 <stevenknight> 1617: already consensus
127 17:54:42 <garyo-home> we skip the DONE ones, move right to 1643?
128 17:54:42 <stevenknight> ah
129 17:55:01 <stevenknight> oh, hey, there's DONE strings there... :-)
130 17:55:04 <stevenknight> nice
131 17:55:25 <garyo-home> Brandon said he updated it, maybe that was a different ticket or something?
132 17:55:42 <garyo-home> I think get more info from user.
133 17:55:50 <GregNoel> must have been
134 17:56:11 <garyo-home> pretty weird behavior though.
135 17:56:13 <stevenknight> agree: research, Brandon
136 17:56:21 <GregNoel> OK
137 17:56:59 <garyo-home> 1644
138 17:57:17 <garyo-home> Greg, I like your idea of starting all out blank, but it's impractical for now, agreed?
139 17:57:32 <stevenknight> that's 1.x p2
140 17:57:36 <garyo-home> I say just fix this one case for now in 1.x p2.
141 17:57:53 <stevenknight> agree with both of you re: both __RPATH and public variables starting blank
142 17:58:38 * GregNoel has been overrun by rugrats; wait a sec
143 17:58:41 <garyo-home> ok, so David, 1.x, p2, in the Conservatory, with the Knife?
144 17:58:47 <garyo-home> :-)
145 17:58:58 <stevenknight> yes
146 17:59:59 <GregNoel> ok, 1644, not completely impractical, but it should be a policy; move toward it in the future.
147 18:00:12 <garyo-home> agreed.
148 18:00:24 <GregNoel> yes, 1.x p2, David
149 18:00:37 <GregNoel> 1646
150 18:00:32 <garyo-home> 1646: Ludwig GSoC sounds good to me.
151 18:00:42 <GregNoel> done
152 18:00:45 <stevenknight> ludwig gsoc++
153 18:01:23 <GregNoel> 1660, close
154 18:01:53 <garyo-home> yup
155 18:02:20 <stevenknight> yes, close
156 18:02:23 <GregNoel> done
157 18:02:36 <GregNoel> 1681
158 18:02:48 <garyo-home> 1661: Steven, does VS cleanup possibly include using bat files to get env vars?
159 18:02:56 <garyo-home> Or is it two separate things?
160 18:03:34 <stevenknight> includes .bat files
161 18:03:59 <garyo-home> ok, I'm a big VS user so if you do it I'll help.
162 18:04:16 <GregNoel> collaboration++
163 18:04:19 <stevenknight> yeah, it's turning into a case of when in Rome...
164 18:04:29 <garyo-home> stevenknight: exactly.
165 18:05:15 <stevenknight> never thought that i'd have to become such a Windows geek, though... :-)
166 18:05:42 <garyo-home> sorry, happens to the best of us
167 18:05:45 <stevenknight> looks like that's it for 2007q2
168 18:06:14 <GregNoel> 1662?
169 18:06:29 <garyo-home> 2.x p2?
170 18:06:39 <stevenknight> ah, skipped one
171 18:06:45 <stevenknight> yeah, 2.x p2
172 18:06:46 <GregNoel> more than one
173 18:07:00 <stevenknight> oh, wow, so we did
174 18:07:17 <GregNoel> We???
175 18:07:29 <stevenknight> good point
176 18:07:34 <stevenknight> "me"
177 18:07:40 <stevenknight> must have scrolled down too far...
178 18:07:58 <GregNoel> Sometimes it scrolls in pieces; that's bit me before
179 18:08:10 <stevenknight> no, waitaminnit, someone above mentioned 1681... :-)
180 18:08:25 <GregNoel> typo
181 18:08:34 <stevenknight> aha
182 18:08:48 <GregNoel> next line says 1661, which was correct
183 18:08:59 <GregNoel> my eyes are too old to read that tiny type
184 18:09:21 <garyo-home> anyway, 1662 is i18n, 2.x p2?
185 18:09:30 <stevenknight> okay, 1662 2.x p2
186 18:09:37 <GregNoel> I'll buy it
187 18:09:55 <GregNoel> 1663?
188 18:09:59 <garyo-home> then 1663, latex, 2.x unless a patch magically appears?
189 18:10:01 <stevenknight> 1663: 2.x, Rob, encourage WONTFIX
190 18:10:09 <GregNoel> works for me
191 18:10:33 <garyo-home> 1667: would be nice if we had a contrib/ folder, but not until 2.0 IMHO
192 18:11:24 <stevenknight> agree re: contrib/
193 18:11:35 <GregNoel> 1667 is DONE; 1673?
194 18:11:39 <stevenknight> make a bunch of the wiki stuff more accessible / useful
195 18:11:47 <stevenknight> 1673: 1.0.x, p1
196 18:11:58 <stevenknight> who?
197 18:11:59 <garyo-home> ok w me
198 18:12:14 <GregNoel> done
199 18:12:43 <garyo-home> 1674 is trivial I think
200 18:13:02 <GregNoel> DONE
201 18:13:22 <GregNoel> 1675?
202 18:13:26 <garyo-home> 1675 I already replied to him
203 18:13:37 <garyo-home> just wait & see now.
204 18:13:43 <GregNoel> Yeah, and I think you're right
205 18:13:50 <stevenknight> 1675: probably end up closing, i don't think there's a SCons problem here
206 18:13:59 <garyo-home> agree
207 18:14:01 <stevenknight> but okay to wait until he replies (if he does)
208 18:14:14 <GregNoel> Defer until next week?
209 18:14:32 <garyo-home> ok. Or could close, and let user reopen if they still care?
210 18:14:39 <garyo-home> (Can users reopen tickets?)
211 18:15:08 <GregNoel> I think so; Bugzilla could
212 18:15:09 <stevenknight> good question, i thought they can, but don't really know
213 18:15:24 <garyo-home> anyway safer to defer for a week anyway.
214 18:15:36 <garyo-home> ... anyway. didn't say that enough in the last line, anyway.
215 18:15:55 <garyo-home> 1679 dup?
216 18:15:59 <GregNoel> DONE
217 18:16:08 <stevenknight> done
218 18:16:09 <garyo-home> 1681 consensus
219 18:16:15 <GregNoel> next quarter, or break here?
220 18:16:32 <stevenknight> now, i think we've finished 2007q2...
221 18:16:36 <garyo-home> I should go I'm afraid.
222 18:16:43 <stevenknight> me too
223 18:16:49 <GregNoel> OK, what about next week?
224 18:16:50 <stevenknight> same time next week...?
225 18:16:57 <GregNoel> I have a conflict...
226 18:16:58 <garyo-home> see you all next wk, I can do it then.
227 18:17:05 <garyo-home> Greg: different night better?
228 18:17:15 <GregNoel> I'll have to leave before 18 o'clock
229 18:17:23 <stevenknight> Greg: another ntime Monday or another night?
230 18:17:33 <GregNoel> let me check
231 18:17:39 <stevenknight> i'm okay with 17h00 - 18h00
232 18:18:12 <garyo-home> that's the usual time, right?
233 18:18:14 <GregNoel> Tuesday is OK
234 18:18:19 * garyo-home does time math in head...
235 18:18:22 <stevenknight> right
236 18:18:26 <stevenknight> usual time
237 18:18:35 <garyo-home> I can do Tuesday usual time also.
238 18:18:52 <stevenknight> let's go with Tuesday then
239 18:18:54 <garyo-home> Let's try to get more attendance next time. Mailing list reminder?
240 18:19:01 <stevenknight> yes
241 18:19:21 <GregNoel> multiple reminders
242 18:19:00 <GregNoel> Wednesday the 18th I leave for ten days; the party after next you're on your own.
243 18:19:35 <stevenknight> GregNoel: maybe I should prep next week's spreadsheets so you're available if questions come up
244 18:19:41 <stevenknight> or gary
245 18:20:01 <GregNoel> I'm preparing a wiki page; should be ready soon
246 18:20:05 <garyo-home> I'm getting very busy at work, 3 new empl's including new CEO this wk...
247 18:20:15 <garyo-home> I'll try to keep up my end of things though.
248 18:20:22 <stevenknight> wow, congratulations on the expansion
249 18:20:38 <garyo-home> thx, it's exciting but as VP/eng I'm in the thick of it.
250 18:20:37 <stevenknight> did you do an exec search for CEO?
251 18:20:48 <garyo-home> yes, big exec search.
252 18:21:00 <GregNoel> So he's fat? {;-}
253 18:21:12 <stevenknight> who handled it for you? one of the big national recruiting firms or a local?
254 18:21:16 <garyo-home> we're up to 13 people, 3 engineers and a new database guy.
255 18:21:43 <garyo-home> Steven: a guy our investors recommended, name slips my mind atm...
256 18:21:53 <stevenknight> np
257 18:22:02 <stevenknight> that's really cool, glad to hear things are going well
258 18:22:08 <garyo-home> Todd Savage.
259 18:22:21 <garyo-home> He was good, but not cheap.
260 18:22:42 <garyo-home> Greg, just saw yr comment :-)
261 18:22:59 <garyo-home> & actually no, *she*'s thin.
262 18:23:04 <GregNoel> Wasn't that funny in retrospect
263 18:23:17 <garyo-home> that's irc for you.
264 18:23:47 <garyo-home> anyway guys, have a good week, I'll try to squash a few of my bugs this week.
265 18:23:58 <GregNoel> <splat!>
266 18:24:02 <garyo-home> :-)
267 18:24:12 <garyo-home> c ya
268 18:24:14 <GregNoel> bye
269 18:24:20 <stevenknight> okay, thanks
270 18:24:22 <stevenknight> later
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