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16:55:36 GregNoel Hi, guys. Five more minutes to go...
16:57:22 GregNoel Pankrat, can you give us a preview of what you wanted to say for 235?
16:58:21 Pankrat Hi, I have counterexample which does not work correctly with implicit cache activated
16:58:58 GregNoel And you can't add a comment? What browser are you using?
16:58:59 Pankrat but I cannot post due to some error: "URL was not defined; This may indicate a bug in your browser."
16:59:23 Pankrat Firefox 2.0. I had posted an issue already, which worked
16:59:27 GregNoel And do you have cookies enabled?
16:59:32 Pankrat yes
17:00:02 GregNoel Can you mail it to one of us privately so we can add it?
17:00:23 Pankrat yes, one moment, BTW: I'm Ludwig :)
17:00:41 GregNoel Guten Abend!
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17:01:31 stevenknight hi all
17:01:36 GregNoel Hey
17:01:39 Pankrat Guten Abend :)
17:01:51 GregNoel Oder Morgen?
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17:02:12 stevenknight hey bill
17:02:22 Pankrat both fits, mail has been sent
17:02:31 bdbaddog good evening!
17:02:35 GregNoel Anybody know where Bill and
17:02:46 GregNoel Oops, Bill's here, what about Ken?
17:02:49 garyo-home hi guys
17:03:19 GregNoel G'day!
17:03:40 garyo-home I may be a bit out of it tonight, sorry.
17:03:44 garyo-home But I'm here.
17:03:45 stevenknight does the wiki page link the spreadsheet?
17:03:57 GregNoel Yes, it should
17:04:16 stevenknight oh, duh, there it is
17:04:30 garyo-home So the agenda is starting with Greg's first issue list (391 issues)?
17:04:51 GregNoel Yes, just the first few
17:04:56 garyo-home good.
17:05:26 bdbaddog btw. I think we can chat via google docs and it would get attached to the spreadsheet.
17:05:33 GregNoel 1848 is first I believe
17:06:02 GregNoel No, it just seems to display; there's no record (that I could find)
17:06:08 garyo-home bdbaddog: that would be cool but let's try for that next time.
17:06:15 bdbaddog I thought we wer going through the 2002 and then 2003 bugs. which are in the spreadsheets first
17:06:17 garyo-home (if there are records anyway)
17:06:33 GregNoel I'm recording, I hope.
17:06:40 garyo-home me too I hope
17:06:45 GregNoel 1848?
17:06:46 bdbaddog me 3
17:07:21 stevenknight yeah, p3
17:07:29 bdbaddog I though 139 was the first bug to discuss ?
17:07:50 GregNoel No, the first few are from the issues list; no spreadsheet.
17:08:08 GregNoel Just the ones with priorities or votes.
17:08:11 stevenknight link's on the wiki page
17:08:16 bdbaddog ahh o.k. there now.
17:08:35 stevenknight damn, I wash my laptop had a bigger screen right now
17:09:07 GregNoel It seems to me that I've done what bug is about with no problems, but I looked for it and couldn't find it.
17:09:42 GregNoel I wish my second screen on my desktop was working...
17:10:09 stevenknight 1848: sort of nagging thing that shakes confidence when people hit it
17:10:10 garyo-home doesn't it cause a problem on linux because of no exe suffix?
17:10:12 bdbaddog anyone had time to try and reproduce 1848?
17:10:17 stevenknight yes re: no .exe suffix
17:10:26 garyo-home seems to me like a usual case of alias/filename conflict.
17:10:26 stevenknight yes, someone should check reproducibility
17:10:40 stevenknight if it's reproducible, what timeframe?
17:10:48 stevenknight 1.x?
17:10:59 GregNoel OK, or 2.x
17:11:18 garyo-home 2.x unless the error is really gross.
17:11:34 bdbaddog 2.x
17:11:40 stevenknight i can go with 2.x
17:11:40 stevenknight done
17:11:41 garyo-home how about 1966?
17:12:34 stevenknight i hate wading into the configure code
17:12:35 bdbaddog looks like 2 issues, doc plus functional ?
17:12:38 stevenknight yeah
17:12:48 bdbaddog maybe fix docs in 1.x, fix issue in 2.x ?
17:13:06 GregNoel good for me
17:13:16 stevenknight +1
17:13:19 bdbaddog should we split bug into two bugs then?
17:13:27 stevenknight +1
17:13:35 GregNoel Bill, will you do it?
17:13:46 bdbaddog yes.
17:13:52 GregNoel Next?
17:14:17 garyo-home 1969, looks like
17:14:25 stevenknight 1969: ugly problem
17:14:26 garyo-home i18n
17:14:35 stevenknight tip of the i18n iceberg
17:14:40 GregNoel Needs features not in 1.5.2; should be 2.x
17:14:50 bdbaddog 2.x
17:14:52 garyo-home (at least default tool setup *can* now be disabled, but that's not a good answer)
17:14:54 garyo-home 2.x
17:15:11 stevenknight sure, 2.x
17:15:13 GregNoel next?
17:15:20 stevenknight re; 1969 though
17:15:32 stevenknight no, wait, i'll update it myself
17:15:41 stevenknight he obviously didn't know you can disable the tool selection
17:16:05 garyo-home personal business, brb sorry
17:16:07 garyo-home keep going
17:16:30 stevenknight 1217
17:16:36 stevenknight (how far are we going on this list, BTW?)
17:16:41 bdbaddog 1217. anyone know the cache management stuff?
17:16:58 bdbaddog I think Greg said "aim for 2002 bugs, hope for 2003" to be handled.
17:16:59 stevenknight that'd b e me
17:17:16 stevenknight this needs a design for a mechanism, not a quick fix
17:17:16 bdbaddog this is not minor stuff is it?
17:17:18 stevenknight 2.x
17:17:21 bdbaddog 2.x
17:17:24 GregNoel ok
17:17:51 GregNoel 235 is in our 2002 list; I propose we deal with it there.
17:18:00 bdbaddog ok
17:18:04 stevenknight ok
17:18:17 bdbaddog 1959 then?
17:18:57 stevenknight i think 1.x, should be an easy fix, and it looks dumb if it doesn't work
17:19:03 * GregNoel stays silent, although 1959 was a very good year
17:19:35 bdbaddog 1.x unless its messy. would be my vote. :)
17:19:54 stevenknight 1.x then -- can always be pushed out if it gets bad
17:20:12 GregNoel on to 2002 then?
17:20:17 bdbaddog yup.
17:21:03 bdbaddog 139 - research
17:21:14 stevenknight research
17:21:39 GregNoel I think we should close it until there's a need
17:22:03 stevenknight hmm, now that you mention it, I'm okay with that
17:22:15 GregNoel wontfix?
17:22:31 bdbaddog if we close, will we loose a placeholder for the idea?
17:22:49 stevenknight sure -- I'd love to do better than ClearCase, but if there's no compelling user demand, that's just my ego at work
17:23:08 GregNoel {;-}
17:23:34 GregNoel consensus?
17:23:41 stevenknight bill, close it?
17:23:52 bdbaddog I guess the issue is is the bugtracker a good place to placehold ideas or should we move to a wiki page?
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17:24:15 garyo-home if it's just an idea, make it future
17:24:21 GregNoel future p5 then, the "will get to never" stack
17:24:32 bdbaddog o.k. that's fine with me.
17:24:48 garyo-home ok, I'm sort of here now
17:24:51 garyo-home 148?
17:25:19 GregNoel assign to Brandon for research
17:25:31 bdbaddog sounds good to me.
17:25:36 garyo-home ok
17:25:46 GregNoel done
17:25:49 garyo-home then on to 177
17:26:16 garyo-home already mostly works like he says
17:26:30 bdbaddog future. I think was the concensus
17:26:34 GregNoel yup
17:26:38 garyo-home ok by me.
17:26:45 garyo-home or close it.
17:27:06 garyo-home 193 = gsoc?
17:27:08 GregNoel 193, we have a viable proposal;
17:27:20 bdbaddog +1
17:27:36 GregNoel bypass until next time?
17:27:54 garyo-home or assume gsoc will get integrated in the 2.x timeframe and assign to that.
17:27:56 bdbaddog or after projects are accepted?
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17:28:07 garyo-home anyway, make a note in the bug
17:28:28 stevenknight1 i'm back, had to run get the shuttle
17:28:35 garyo-home 194? I say wontfix
17:28:37 Pankrat assign bug to soc student?
17:28:48 bdbaddog 194 wontfix.
17:28:48 stevenknight1 what was the consensus about where to record long-term ideas? issues or wiki?
17:28:57 garyo-home future, p5
17:28:57 bdbaddog issues as future
17:29:11 stevenknight1 okay
17:29:12 stevenknight1 194 wontfis
17:29:15 stevenknight1 wontfix
17:29:28 GregNoel Pankrat, yes; you'll get some too.
17:29:47 Pankrat :)
17:29:52 garyo-home great. 219? can o' worms.
17:30:12 stevenknight1 yeah
17:30:30 bdbaddog what's the benefit of being able to do this?
17:30:55 GregNoel Virtual current working directory, names are more convenient.
17:31:34 garyo-home kind of like a mini-SConscript?
17:31:51 GregNoel Um, close enough.
17:31:52 stevenknight1 how about wontfix, and if someone really wants it they can contribute code
17:31:58 garyo-home +1
17:32:01 stevenknight1 no one seems to be beating down the doors for it
17:32:01 bdbaddog +1
17:32:05 GregNoel ok
17:32:15 GregNoel next?
17:32:26 garyo-home 232: reasearch, then if it's true, it's an easy fix
17:32:37 stevenknight1 ??? I don't think it is
17:32:46 GregNoel assign to whom?
17:32:52 bdbaddog this is when a user has same header file name in more than one dir.
17:32:54 bdbaddog right?
17:32:55 stevenknight1 it's replicating a quirky behavior in MSVC's preprocessor
17:33:04 garyo-home steven: I don't think it's true either, never heard of that behavior
17:33:10 garyo-home but can't prove it.
17:33:21 stevenknight1 ah, if that's the case, then it *is* easy: INVALID
17:33:22 GregNoel research?
17:33:37 stevenknight1 or just close it, it's old and no one else has complained
17:33:40 bdbaddog invalid. 1 guy reported it 6 years ago.
17:33:48 bdbaddog and never complained again?
17:33:49 garyo-home i think so too.
17:33:51 GregNoel ok, invalid
17:34:13 garyo-home 243?
17:34:20 Pankrat 235 got lost?
17:34:21 stevenknight1 not 235?
17:34:35 garyo-home ok, 235
17:34:37 stevenknight1 235: research
17:34:44 bdbaddog research.
17:34:56 Pankrat I have a counter example, but could not post it
17:35:09 Pankrat (I've sent it to Greg)
17:35:10 garyo-home pankrat: that's exactly what's needed.
17:35:14 GregNoel research and report
17:35:14 stevenknight1 excellent
17:35:47 GregNoel I'll add it to the bug; who should research? I can take a look.
17:35:48 stevenknight1 Pankrat: you couldn't add it to the issue?
17:36:05 Pankrat yes tigris complained
17:36:10 GregNoel Before you were here, he reported a problem, maybe with his browser.
17:36:16 stevenknight1 do we need to change your project role?
17:36:19 stevenknight1 ah
17:36:39 GregNoel I thought anyone could comment?
17:36:41 stevenknight1 okay, GregNoel update and research?
17:36:47 GregNoel works.
17:36:54 garyo-home good; now 243?
17:37:10 garyo-home Greg, you said Ignores would handle this?
17:37:13 stevenknight1 243: 1.x if it's really doc
17:37:31 GregNoel 1.0 if it's really doc
17:37:36 bdbaddog +1
17:37:40 stevenknight1 +1
17:37:41 bdbaddog someone research it?
17:37:43 garyo-home so that means research, then assign?
17:37:52 bdbaddog I'll research it.
17:38:27 GregNoel (Maciej uses it for his stuff; it's known to work; I'll get you a ref.)
17:38:39 GregNoel next?
17:38:43 stevenknight1 oh, good
17:38:50 bdbaddog 317
17:38:53 stevenknight1 317: wontfix
17:39:10 GregNoel +1
17:39:11 stevenknight1 actully, we should then make -d one of the "ignored for compatibility" options that show up at the top of the help
17:39:19 stevenknight1 i'll take it
17:39:24 GregNoel ok
17:39:26 garyo-home ok
17:39:35 GregNoel 1.0 then?
17:39:50 garyo-home same w/ 323 I hope?
17:39:51 stevenknight1 yeah, it's not destabilizing
17:40:10 GregNoel next?
17:40:11 stevenknight1 yes re: 323, i'll take that too
17:40:35 bdbaddog 324 2.x
17:40:39 stevenknight1 2.x
17:40:45 garyo-home ok
17:40:47 GregNoel I'll take it
17:41:11 garyo-home 325 is hard I think
17:41:29 stevenknight1 might be, but i think it might be easy with overriding an individual Node's Decider() function
17:41:44 stevenknight1 that's not supported by an API right now, but it's architecturally possible
17:41:50 GregNoel Or just a flag to ignore all dependencies
17:41:58 garyo-home future?
17:42:00 stevenknight1 future
17:42:02 bdbaddog future
17:42:04 GregNoel ok
17:42:06 garyo-home Is anyone really wanting it?
17:42:09 stevenknight1 no one's asking for it
17:42:10 GregNoel what priority?
17:42:19 stevenknight1 p4?
17:42:19 GregNoel p3 then
17:42:21 garyo-home p3, average
17:42:25 stevenknight1 p3
17:42:45 garyo-home I'd like 326 (-p, env.Dump())
17:42:58 GregNoel ok, 1.x?
17:43:05 GregNoel or 1.0?
17:43:05 garyo-home OK, give it to me.
17:43:08 garyo-home 1.x
17:43:10 stevenknight1 1.x
17:43:13 garyo-home it's a new feature, not 1.0.
17:43:18 GregNoel ok
17:43:48 stevenknight1 327: 2.x, and i'll take it
17:43:55 GregNoel ok
17:43:59 stevenknight1 unless someone else really wants in on environment stuff...
17:44:06 bdbaddog hey. I've gotta leave now. my comments are in the spreadsheets.
17:44:16 stevenknight1 okay, thanks
17:44:19 GregNoel enjoy the sweat
17:44:36 bdbaddog if you have any questions about my comments which are worth waiting for shoot me an email.. otherwise enjoy the party..
17:44:39 garyo-home 329: what is -w?
17:45:16 stevenknight1 make -w tells it to print the "Entering/Exiting directory" messages
17:45:28 GregNoel not needed
17:45:32 stevenknight1 the only time we do that is if they specify -C on the command line
17:45:43 stevenknight1 give it to me, i'll move it to "ignored for compatibility" with the others
17:45:49 GregNoel ok
17:46:35 stevenknight1 322: consensus seems good, 1.x and Jim Randall
17:46:42 jrandall aye
17:46:42 GregNoel yes
17:46:50 stevenknight1 332 i meant
17:46:54 GregNoel Hi, Jim
17:47:05 jrandall hello!
17:47:11 stevenknight1 hey jim
17:47:17 GregNoel that was quick; next?
17:47:21 stevenknight1 336: wontfix...
17:47:33 GregNoel yes
17:47:43 stevenknight1 341: wontfix...
17:47:48 stevenknight1 (hey, we're on a roll here...)
17:48:19 GregNoel wontfix, aye
17:48:28 stevenknight1 342: fixed
17:48:32 GregNoel the spreadsheet helps...
17:48:38 GregNoel yes
17:48:53 stevenknight1 yeah
17:49:11 stevenknight1 343: future, at a minimum
17:49:15 GregNoel 343, RANLIB
17:49:31 stevenknight1 i don't think it's really just RANLIB
17:49:39 GregNoel Question: does SCons automatically apply RANLIB for those platforms that need it? Or does the user have to code something?
17:50:44 stevenknight1 hang on, let me check
17:51:14 stevenknight1 we just set it up in the Tool/ar.py module
17:51:38 GregNoel It needs to be applied; that's 1.x
17:51:42 stevenknight1 and only if we detect 'ranlib' installed independent from 'ar'
17:51:57 stevenknight1 okay, so there are two parts to the issue here
17:52:13 stevenknight1 make RANLIB independent from ar: 1.x
17:52:21 stevenknight1 GCCTOOLCHAIN stuff: future
17:52:23 stevenknight1 ???
17:52:26 GregNoel +1
17:53:04 GregNoel Or just drop the GCC alternate toolchain stuff; no user need
17:53:24 stevenknight1 okay, i can live with that
17:53:46 stevenknight1 i can take RANLIB, I guess
17:53:54 GregNoel I'll mark it up.
17:54:01 GregNoel next?
17:54:26 stevenknight1 344: 1.x, mine
17:54:33 GregNoel What priority?
17:54:55 stevenknight1 p2, i think
17:54:59 GregNoel done
17:55:23 stevenknight1 347: wontfix
17:55:24 GregNoel 347, 349, close
17:55:30 stevenknight1 yes, yes
17:55:45 stevenknight1 353 close
17:56:18 GregNoel yes, no ego permitted {;-}
17:56:26 stevenknight1 :-)
17:56:31 stevenknight1 356: wontfix
17:56:40 GregNoel yes
17:56:44 stevenknight1 374: wontfix
17:56:58 GregNoel yes
17:57:10 stevenknight1 and that's all for 2002...
17:57:23 GregNoel next 2003
17:57:29 GregNoel 397?
17:57:37 garyo-home wow, i step out of the room and you're on to 2003 already!
17:57:47 GregNoel got to be quick
17:58:08 stevenknight1 i didn't pre-scan these...
17:58:13 garyo-home nor me, sorry
17:58:24 GregNoel homework...
17:58:30 stevenknight1 greg, is the issue link you sent sorted in this order?
17:58:47 GregNoel uh, not quite, but close enough
17:58:52 GregNoel two issues are out of order
17:58:58 garyo-home 397 looks like future to me
17:59:08 garyo-home or wontfix
17:59:10 GregNoel I accidently sorted them by issue id
17:59:22 Pankrat 397 wontfix: I prefer repos as they are
17:59:31 Pankrat justme
17:59:56 garyo-home 402 then?
18:00:12 garyo-home we should do something about this one, it's bit me.
18:00:15 garyo-home :-)
18:00:16 stevenknight1 397: wontfix
18:00:42 stevenknight1 402: give it to me, I'm revamping the Windows toolchain support
18:00:49 stevenknight1 2.x
18:00:54 stevenknight1 p2
18:00:55 garyo-home agree
18:00:55 GregNoel done
18:01:19 garyo-home 409: irix is dead, i say wontfix.
18:01:26 stevenknight1 409: wontfix
18:01:29 GregNoel yes
18:01:31 garyo-home Besides, parallel builds on IRIX have never really worked right.
18:02:16 stevenknight1 416: i say wontfix
18:02:31 garyo-home it's interesting though
18:02:38 garyo-home future?
18:02:38 GregNoel Interesting, yes
18:02:44 stevenknight1 strikes me as the sort of nice-sounding idea that probably has lots of unintended side effects due to statefulness
18:03:02 stevenknight1 i can live with future
18:03:15 GregNoel There's an associated bug report with a model for doing it
18:03:28 GregNoel but it is intended for advanced users
18:03:39 GregNoel future is fine
18:03:40 garyo-home greg: where?
18:03:44 garyo-home ok, future
18:03:46 stevenknight1 which bug report? am i missing a link?
18:04:07 GregNoel Isn't there one at the bottom of the bug?
18:04:31 garyo-home sorry, that. Yes, that's what's interesting.
18:05:12 stevenknight1 bottom of 416?
18:05:16 GregNoel Oops, no link. wait.
18:06:45 garyo-home anyway, it's going to end up future. How about 433?
18:06:50 GregNoel 1933
18:07:09 garyo-home huh?
18:07:20 stevenknight1 1933 is the associated bug report to 416
18:07:24 GregNoel oops 1939
18:07:30 GregNoel yes
18:07:42 GregNoel "fast unsafe"
18:08:24 stevenknight1 wow, hadn't really looked at that one
18:08:43 stevenknight1 lots of evil statefulness...
18:09:00 garyo-home I really don't like that one (not that I understand it fully)
18:09:06 stevenknight1 wait, not really, i misunderstood
18:09:13 garyo-home but it looks dangerous at best
18:09:26 stevenknight1 doesn't strike me as related to 416, though
18:09:31 GregNoel advanced users, for sure, lots of warnings, but it would be fast.
18:09:41 stevenknight1 the way i read it, 416 is "remember where I died, start there nxt time"
18:10:15 GregNoel But what they really all ask for is quick reaction to local SConscript.
18:10:31 stevenknight1 but 416 is transparent to the user, 1939 requires SConscript changes
18:10:42 GregNoel or a command-line option.
18:10:46 garyo-home 1939 to me: future unless someone shows us some code
18:10:52 Pankrat well interactive solves this too
18:10:53 stevenknight1 agree w/gary
18:11:06 garyo-home yes Pankrat
18:11:17 GregNoel somebody twisted my arm to put it in GSoC, so I did
18:11:25 stevenknight1 i also think we can do what 1939 is asking now that the Big Signature Refactoring has changed the .sconsign format
18:11:30 stevenknight1 that's one of its intended goals
18:11:39 stevenknight1 ...and I guess that means I just signed up for 1939... :-)
18:11:54 garyo-home ok, but still future?
18:11:59 stevenknight1 yeah, future
18:12:03 GregNoel p2?
18:12:06 garyo-home ok
18:12:09 GregNoel done
18:12:12 stevenknight1 sure, p2
18:12:18 GregNoel same for 433?
18:12:20 garyo-home so how bout 433 I think is next
18:12:39 stevenknight1 did we finish 416 before that digression? future?
18:12:52 garyo-home 433: I'm not an automake guy so those things look really specialized to me, I'd never use them.
18:12:56 GregNoel oops, same for 416 then?
18:13:10 stevenknight1 416: future
18:13:12 garyo-home I'm ok w/ 416 -> future
18:13:16 GregNoel p2?
18:13:18 stevenknight1 433: 2.x, me
18:13:24 stevenknight1 ?
18:13:38 garyo-home do people really want 433?
18:13:39 GregNoel 433 p2?
18:13:49 stevenknight1 not sure
18:13:53 garyo-home Can't it just be aliases etc.?
18:14:06 GregNoel no, it's more complex.
18:14:07 stevenknight1 but i think i'll need to take a look at that as part of integrating Maciej's automake stuff
18:14:26 garyo-home ok, i see
18:14:29 stevenknight1 it should all be part of finishing and documenting that so it works "naturally" for people migrating from autotools
18:14:38 GregNoel exactly
18:14:38 stevenknight1 yes?
18:14:51 stevenknight1 433: 2.x, me, p2
18:14:54 GregNoel dpme
18:14:56 garyo-home ok
18:14:59 GregNoel oops, done
18:15:22 garyo-home 438: i like that one, just ignore the .sconsign.
18:15:41 stevenknight1 yeah, that would be handy
18:15:43 garyo-home i say 2.x, p2
18:15:55 stevenknight1 i think there's a make option that does something similar...?
18:15:55 garyo-home or maybe even 1.x
18:16:04 GregNoel Ah, it's a dup with 331
18:16:34 stevenknight1 okay
18:17:03 garyo-home not exactly a dup though.
18:17:19 garyo-home 331 is "what if", 438 says actually redo everything.
18:17:22 stevenknight1 oh, right: 331 is like -n, 438 really wants the build to happen
18:17:24 stevenknight1 right
18:17:42 garyo-home 331 is harder due to signatures and generated code.
18:17:50 GregNoel No, -W does not add -n
18:18:14 stevenknight1 no, but it doesn't actually do the build, does it?
18:18:19 GregNoel If you say -W, the file is rebuilt; if you add -n it will tell you what else is rebuilt
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18:18:33 stevenknight1 oh, wow, I didn't know that
18:18:49 stevenknight1 hey, i didn't notice that ita was here...!
18:18:56 stevenknight1 you guys know who that was IRL?
18:18:58 stevenknight1 is?
18:19:04 garyo-home no, who?
18:19:10 stevenknight1 our good friend Thomas Nagy
18:19:14 garyo-home ah.
18:19:19 stevenknight1 cool
18:19:40 garyo-home ... so 331 should get a note explaining what Greg said
18:19:47 stevenknight1 agreed
18:20:26 GregNoel So close this as a dup?
18:20:51 garyo-home i just put the note in 331 but I say link them, don't close either as dup
18:21:09 stevenknight1 guess so, if it really does behave like make -W
18:21:46 GregNoel I'll dig out the exact man page section from make and add it
18:21:46 garyo-home ok, if they're the same then fine
18:21:51 garyo-home good.
18:22:04 GregNoel 447?
18:22:08 stevenknight1 447: i say wontfix
18:22:13 garyo-home wontfix
18:22:15 stevenknight1 way too complicated and specialized
18:22:24 GregNoel wontfix
18:22:35 GregNoel and Bill says wontfix
18:22:43 stevenknight1 448: wontfix
18:22:44 Pankrat if you ignore the text and only read the summary than it makes a little sense
18:22:48 Pankrat (447)
18:23:05 Pankrat but I have no good idea to implement it :(
18:23:38 stevenknight1 agreed, it's not obvious how to do it
18:23:50 GregNoel Bill and I say wontfix, 448
18:23:55 stevenknight1 448: wontfix
18:23:58 garyo-home 448: wontfix
18:23:59 GregNoel done
18:24:26 garyo-home 449 can usually be done by massaging the action list.
18:24:36 stevenknight1 of the Builder?
18:24:44 garyo-home yes
18:24:50 GregNoel API?
18:24:53 garyo-home That's how I do 'mt' on Windows now
18:25:12 stevenknight1 i see
18:25:16 garyo-home I wouldn't mind AppendAction/PrependAction though
18:25:28 garyo-home (just thinking out loud)
18:25:39 stevenknight1 actually, related but OT: how about adding pre_action= and post_action= keyword arguments to Builder calls, too
18:25:59 GregNoel Overkill?
18:26:04 garyo-home how's that better than a separate call?
18:26:14 GregNoel This isn't Perl
18:26:17 stevenknight1 you may not want to modify the actual Builder itself
18:26:37 garyo-home If you're not modifying the builder, then pre_action === AddPreAction, right?
18:26:41 stevenknight1 or the builder's action list
18:26:51 stevenknight1 yes
18:27:10 stevenknight1 but you wouldn't have to capture the return and call it separately
18:27:21 stevenknight1 maybe that's just syntactic sugar and we don't need the extra complexity
18:27:39 garyo-home I think that's right
18:27:49 stevenknight1 okay, move on
18:28:20 GregNoel 460, src_dir
18:28:20 garyo-home so 449 is wontfix then?
18:28:38 stevenknight1 whoops, we're coming to my stop in a minute or two
18:29:07 stevenknight1 i'm going to send something to the mailing list about branching
18:29:32 GregNoel run for home; will you be back?
18:29:36 stevenknight1 i need a place for some stuff I have to work on for 2.x
18:29:42 stevenknight1 it's about a 15 min. walk
18:30:06 GregNoel Without Bill and you, we should probably break here, then
18:30:14 stevenknight1 okay, gotta go
18:30:20 stevenknight1 catch you on the mailing list
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18:30:31 garyo-home so who'
18:30:34 garyo-home s left?
18:30:49 Pankrat I am. But I go to sleep now ...
18:30:56 GregNoel you and me, Ken never showed
18:31:00 garyo-home ok, let's just do 460 and break then.
18:31:05 GregNoel ok
18:31:15 garyo-home I think 460 just wants a better error message really.
18:31:16 GregNoel I'm of the opinion that src_dir should be removed until we know what it's supposed to do.
18:31:31 garyo-home :-/
18:32:03 GregNoel Every time I've tried it, it hasn't worked, or it's done something I didn't expect.
18:32:21 GregNoel I don't think even a better error message can save it
18:32:25 garyo-home how about we make it 1.x but only add the error message to detect this case, then file a new bug for "remove src_dir unless someone can explain it"
18:32:40 GregNoel I'll buy that
18:32:41 garyo-home (this case being: src_dir without build_dir)
18:32:52 GregNoel yes.
18:33:07 GregNoel OK, I'll put that in the bug
18:33:31 garyo-home ok then, we'll pick up where we left off next time. Thanks! Greg, are you going to do all the data entry?
18:33:32 GregNoel Since you were host, you're done; I'll take care of fixing all the bugs.
18:33:54 garyo-home sorry I didn't really host much. I'm only about 50% present right now.
18:34:00 garyo-home exhausted.
18:34:07 GregNoel And I've got the IRC log; I can post that, too.
18:34:13 garyo-home ok, thx!
18:34:19 garyo-home bye then
18:34:24 GregNoel cul
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BugParty/IrcLog2008-04-01 (last edited 2008-04-02 22:47:30 by GregNoel)